4K Displays-the future?

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So, what do you think about the buzz surrounding plans to release consumer panels with higher resolution than current 1080p models (BD will be 'upscaled').

Some info on 4K from Cnet

Nonsense or 'the next big thing'?

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Ric is that the AX800?
I saw this at CES this year and while it looked good it still did not come close to the ZT60 Plasma....

I will be sticking with my ZT60 until OLED comes down in price by about £1000...:p
 
It's the high end one coming out in may. My present plasma the vt50 is 2 yo now so it's time for a change :)

I was advised against the wt600 (think it was that) I wanna skip 1st gen 4 k so may has 2nd gen. They're tweaking it for the uk market at present

Be looking to upgrade to the new oppo probably. Are they still doing multi region ones ??
 
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As posted by avjunkie Panasonic Industry Insider guy....(Regarding 4K Panels and this years model from Panasonic)

Default PANASONIC INSIDERS THREAD -rumors hints and info!
The led line this year I'm pretty happy with. Not having to split display budgets and materials certainly has streamlined processes. However long I remain at this company is yet to be for told but I know I'm as happy with the 2014 as I could be considering all factors. I get inboxes this all the time so I'll answer some main questions now ..Will any of 2014 LEDs get my buying recommendation ? NO. I don't buy LEDs. But with that said your own feelings maybe different on the matter. BUY WHAT LOOKS GOOD TO YOU
4k- buy it and sit really close to the tv or buy a really big tv and still sit really close.
I don't like scaling. So I'm not buying 4k either unless for gaming in one if my guest areas.
When is worthwhile oled coming out .. It's looking like end of this year or next year depending on 4k success and the market. But ce industry is unpredictable for oled this early. Later in the year I will have better idea.
The companies who came out with oled tvs already .. Like I said before can't build them. So they are in fact willing to delay or kill the industry for oled if they cannot control it. So sadly they dictate what everyone does.

This guy is high up inside Panasonic NA, and if he states this regarding 4K, I for one am inclined to believe it.

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When 4k source material is readily available at consumer prices Ill get a 4k tv. Same thing applies to any future tech after that. Its pointless (for me at least) to spend a gazillion dollars on a 4k setup waiting for actual 4k content to be readily available. I never did like scaling and still dont so that doesn't appeal to me either.
 
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After seeing an 84 incher LG, it is the future. The only question for me is how soon the 8k displays will occure (to change for an 4k display than a 8k one is not an option for me).

OK there is an other question - will there be native 4k material en masse soon enough to lure early adopters?

The LG was panned by most serious reviewers. While they all agree it's a seriously great piece of tech, it makes anything other than blu ray look terrible and since there is very little UHD material available your basically spending £18grand for "Hey look what I have".

I totally agree with you, I stood and watched the demo disc on the screen in my local John Lewis and it IS seriously jaw dropping. If you have millions in the bank and a dedicated home cinema and are just going to watch blurays then this is great. In practical terms though it's one of the first, it's a little too big and by the time there is a wealth of content, Sony and Panasonic are liable to have bettered it.

As a guide to the future its amazing, but I certainly wouldn't buy one right now even if I had the money. :D
 
I keep seeing all the hype on the 4K TV's, but there isn't any broadcast in 4K and very little movies in 4K. Also wouldn't that mean another new Blu-ray player capable of producing 4K content? Where is this going or is it a flash in the pan, to get us to spend money on another beta source?
 
I keep seeing all the hype on the 4K TV's, but there isn't any broadcast in 4K and very little movies in 4K. Also wouldn't that mean another new Blu-ray player capable of producing 4K content? Where is this going or is it a flash in the pan, to get us to spend money on another beta source?

4K is here to stay buddy. It's in no way a gimmick! Eventually all TV's will be 4K. There are already broadcast companies like Sky in the UK getting ready to broadcast in 4K.
If and when (blu ray) yes you will need a new blu ray player to play the 4K discs. And a AV receiver (already many available) to process,pass through the signal to a 4K TV.....
Eventually 1080p will be like 720p.....:p :happy:
Technology moves on at a fast pace, and it's been a long time we've had 1080p in our homes...4K is the way forward I'm sure of it.
Next TV will be 65" 4K OLED.....THE FUTURE IS HERE THE FUTURE IS NOW!! :woot:
 
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As posted by avjunkie Panasonic Industry Insider guy....(Regarding 4K Panels and this years model from Panasonic)



This guy is high up inside Panasonic NA, and if he states this regarding 4K, I for one am inclined to believe it.

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Yep, and ask all the independent Panasonic specialists in the UK, and none of them have any love for LED/LCD in any way shape or form and can't wait for OLED to come so they've got something of Plasma quality to sell again.

In tests by the most well known folks, Plasma, especially the last high end Panasonics ZT and VT (and there is little between those) is still reckoned to be better than 4k in almost all respects despite having a lower resolution.

The promise of visible improvement from 4k can only be realized on screens above 60 to 65inches anyway - below that the human eye even with 20/20 vision cannot detect any difference. Yet current 4k screens above 60inches still show no improvement, and cannot even match Plasma.
And with everyone relying on LG for panels now, there is little realistic hope of any improvement coming in that direction.

So, as far as I'm concerned it is stillborn technology, and all that development money (at Panasonic) would have been better spent on properly promoting Plasma to dispell all the rumours, and mass-productionizing (to make them cheaper to produce) the ZT Plasma 'Studio Master Panel', as I'm certain there had to be a good few tweaks in a brand new panel such as that was, for obvious further picture benefits. Not to mention developing OLED to full production standard.

As I've said before: Just don't believe the hype about 4k - it all comes from vested interests!

Interestingly, I just read the review of the 2014 4K curved screen Samsung UE55HU8500 - which is about £2700.
Whilst the review is rather better than lukewarm, when asked, whether he would recommend this TV over a Panasonic ZT60 or VT65 Plasma, the professional reviewer replied. 'No. Get the Panasonic Plasma'.

Says it all really, doesn't it! :)

P.s. Earthscope, They can't currently broadcast in 4k, there isn't enough bandwidth, nor, unless the number of channels is cut drastically, and there is massive investment (which is highly unlikely) is there likely to be in the near to middle future.
As an example the majority of the alleged HD channels are broadcast in 720p and not full 1080p due to bandwidth restrictions already in place.

When you go on to calculate as the IBC did that for a decent 4k 50hz progressive scan picture you need to shift approx eight times the data presented in 1080i.
Then, at those rates, for the best quality, they calculated, that an existing digital mux, or satellite transponder wouldn't even manage a single channel!

Take that into account and you come to realize that 4k does NOT have a future as the regular broadcast medium of the future, especially when you can't even get them to brodcast HD channels in 1080p, or 1080i for that matter!

It's a pipe dream, and will remain so for many years.
4k MAY have a future on the sidelines, but, as indicated earlier, not as the regular TV broadcast medium, nor as a mainstay for high speed streaming, as the capacity just doesn't exist, and again is unlikely to for some considerable time, if ever.

Like I said - it's hype generated by vested interests to shift more kit!
 
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Yep, and ask all the independent Panasonic specialists in the UK, and none of them have any love for LED/LCD in any way shape or form and can't wait for OLED to come so they've got something of Plasma quality to sell again.

In tests by the most well known folks, Plasma, especially the last high end Panasonics ZT and VT (and there is little between those) is still reckoned to be better than 4k in almost all respects despite having a lower resolution.

The promise of visible improvement from 4k can only be realized on screens above 60 to 65inches anyway - below that the human eye even with 20/20 vision cannot detect any difference. Yet current 4k screens above 60inches still show no improvement, and cannot even match Plasma.
And with everyone relying on LG for panels now, there is little realistic hope of any improvement coming in that direction.

So, as far as I'm concerned it is stillborn technology, and all that development money (at Panasonic) would have been better spent on properly promoting Plasma to dispell all the rumours, and mass-productionizing (to make them cheaper to produce) the ZT Plasma 'Studio Master Panel', as I'm certain there had to be a good few tweaks in a brand new panel such as that was, for obvious further picture benefits. Not to mention developing OLED to full production standard.

As I've said before: Just don't believe the hype about 4k - it all comes from vested interests!

Interestingly, I just read the review of the 2014 4K curved screen Samsung UE55HU8500 - which is about £2700.
Whilst the review is rather better than lukewarm, when asked, whether he would recommend this TV over a Panasonic ZT60 or VT65 Plasma, the professional reviewer replied. 'No. Get the Panasonic Plasma'.

Says it all really, doesn't it! :)

P.s. Earthscope, They can't currently broadcast in 4k, there isn't enough bandwidth, nor, unless the number of channels is cut drastically, and there is massive investment (which is highly unlikely) is there likely to be in the near to middle future.
As an example the majority of the alleged HD channels are broadcast in 720p and not full 1080p due to bandwidth restrictions already in place.

When you go on to calculate as the IBC did that for a decent 4k 50hz progressive scan picture you need to shift approx eight times the data presented in 1080i.
Then, at those rates, for the best quality, they calculated, that an existing digital mux, or satellite transponder wouldn't even manage a single channel!

Take that into account and you come to realize that 4k does NOT have a future as the regular broadcast medium of the future, especially when you can't even get them to brodcast HD channels in 1080p, or 1080i for that matter!

It's a pipe dream, and will remain so for many years.
4k MAY have a future on the sidelines, but, as indicated earlier, not as the regular TV broadcast medium, nor as a mainstay for high speed streaming, as the capacity just doesn't exist, and again is unlikely to for some considerable time, if ever.

Like I said - it's hype generated by vested interests to shift more kit!

I know that Sky are planning on broadcasting a 4K Signal in the near future.Three world cup matches were broadcast in 4K by the BBC & Sky did it's own trials too this summer. And I will tell you the picture quality was amazing!!! The resolution blew away any broadcast HD currently available...

BUT we all know like broadcast HD it will still be compressed. But a 4K compressed signal is still better than a 720p one...
Also all the correct needed infrastructure has to be in place and set up properly. Satellites, 4K enabled boxes, fibre optic broadband (for streaming) in most homes, etc...

And Japan and Korea are pushing this hard and are going to be broadcasting in 4k by the middle of next year!
Importance of screen size is also essential. The larger the better. To truly appreciate that added resolution...Making 4k even more a niche product in the UK anyway.

My Beloved 65" Pro Calibrated ZT65 Plasma is not going anywhere until OLED is in it's 4th gen stage and the price drops. For me Broadcast is not what I will be looking for for most of my watching. It's 4K Blu ray where it's going to be important for me. And where it will really come into it's own. And I will be looking at an OLED Panel of about 75" or JVC 4K Projector with 120" screen...

I believe in roughly 2 years you will not be able to buy a 1080p TV...
And I am very excited about the increased resolution. And in no way see it as a gimmick.
The current breed of 4K TV'S in the UK are aimed at the enthusiast market and early adopters.

Technology moves on at an incredible pace and I am very excited to see what's round the corner. And will be embracing 4K sooner rather than later..
I also understand products like, The astounding ZT65 Plasma,OLED 4K, Dolby Atmos, Specialised Home Cinema installations. Are aimed at a small, enthusiast and knowledgeable niche market! And I count myself in that bracket. :)

Hell until Panasonic pulled out of Plasma I bought a new model from them for the last 5 years...But I am in a minority rather than the majority!!

I have also seen 4k House of Cards Netflix, streamed on a 65" calibrated Sony 4k panel. And the picture was amazing to my well trained eyes. Blew away the current what goes for HD (Sky) being broadcast I can tell you.

I have had many pro panels from Panasonic, to the mighty Kuro (Still have the last gen model in the bedroom) all pro calibrated for reference picture performance. And I like to think I know what I am talking about when it comes to picture quality and Home Cinema. Being a recording engineer/producer...For film and TV
4K is here to stay and I for one welcome the increased resolution and the advancement of picture performance from 1080p for the home market...

Final Note: LCD 4K TV's not a fan off..Still too many issues for my liking! OLED is where it's at for future reference picture performance. And TRUE BLACKS!!!
And don't get me started on curved TV'S !! Now that's what I call a gimmick...

Broadcast 4K in the UK, wait and see! Blu Ray 4K that's what gets me extremely excited. And is A MUST HAVE for me at least...
 
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Earthscope,

Sorry mate but your enthusiasm is overcoming the facts.

There cannot be any broadcast 4k tv in Britain, or Europe, the US or Canada for that matter for some considerable time, period.

I quoted you facts, not speculation.

The sheer capacity does not exist, and there are no plans in place to make it happen.

At the present time they cannot even stream 4k. If a small village 0f say 5,000 people for instance attempted to stream a true 4k 50hz signal, the internet would crash. That's a matter of fact.
Again, no capacity/bandwidth and no plans to put it in place. in Britain, Europe or the US and Canada.

Yet again, I must tell you that it is currently impossible to broadcast more than the odd channel in fulll 1080p - no capacity exists - and no plans to put it in place! so your idea of 4k compressed to 1080p is pie in the sky, sorry.

There are no plans to increase capacity in the US, or Europe, and there is no likelyhood of 4k broadcast in Korea or Japan for at least 10 years. - I'm not talking about experimental one-offs, like the BBCs. I mean mainstream broadcasting.

You cannot train eyes. A perfect 20/20 vision eye cannot see any difference in a set below the 60 to 65 inch threshold, and above it there is little difference that watched side by side with 1080p you truly sit back and realize it is all marketing hype.
 
That's your opinion which your entitled to. But I disagree!
I also don't understand your resistance to 4K. And I know for fact that Japan will be rolling out 4K test broadcasts on a weekly basis from April 2015 with the full roll out over the entire country by 2018 !! They are investing heavily in their infrastructure to deliver 4K and eventually 8K.
So your 10 year statement is complete nonsense for Japan anyway....
And if you check the actual figures for 4k streamed Netflix you will also find it is higher than current broadcast HD...another fact!
And have you even seen House of Cards streamed in 4K on a 4K panel using fibre optic broadband? Just check the well respected views at AV forums. They are not talking rubbish....

As for marketing hype regarding seeing the difference (I am talking 65" and upwards) I strongly disagree.
I have many colleagues in the AV world who have gone through the THX & ISF training courses. And they all say that on a 65" screen their is a major difference in picture quality with 4k over 1080p. And they are not hyping it up in any shape or form. With their TRAINED eyes for calibrating a reference picture.
Even when I was at CES in Las Vagas this year with a friend who is not an AV professional. He commented on the difference in picture quality, depth, sharpness, detail...etc Over a side by side comparison with a 1080p TV showing the same footage....
Again marketing hype! Don't think so.
It seems that it's you that has the problem accepting that 4k is here and it's not a fantasy....

Also when I was in Japan last year I was privileged to see the only 4k Plasma Panasonic ever made. Prototype of course. And the difference again side by side with a 1080p ZT was remarkable to me and the other engineers present at the demo...
The reason Panasonic never went forward with putting it into production was the astronomical cost it would be to make it a reality. And such a niche product would only sell to a very small and rich minority.

I think it's best to just leave this and move on as we are not going to agree on this. I've said what I had to say on the matter. You can lead people to the water but that doesn't mean you can make them drink....
This enthusiast has no more to say!!
 
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Quick question
Does a 4K disk play on a normal bluray player. As any 4K movie transfer i have played on my player they tend to skip on/off
 
Quick question
Does a 4K disk play on a normal bluray player. As any 4K movie transfer i have played on my player they tend to skip on/off
There are NO Actual 4K blu rays at present released. They are only mastered in 4k and are still 1080p discs...:thumbs:

And yes a mastered in 4K disc should play fine in all current blu ray players..