Have you upgraded to 4K Blu-ray?

[digitalbabe]

Hey ninjas!

A fun poll for you to comment and share whether you've upgraded your equipment/discs, and why you have or haven't done so.

Have fun!

DB

 

[paulboland]

Not according to the senior chief execs at both Samsung and LG, 4K has been an absolute distaster, and yes I did speak to them first hand! 4K is not rising at all, its failing epically worldwide. 3D was always niche but it was a niche thats outsold 4K. By 2018 4K will be gone completely as its already a sinking ship loosing electronics firms vast amounts of money! Funny how flagship models on the biggest TV's are offering 3D as a main selling point. I WORK in this industry. 4K is DEAD!

All of the TV manufactures have dropped 3D support for 2017 models
The last two TV-makers to build 3D functionality into their sets, LG and Sony, will not build any new sets this year that can show 3D movies and TV shows
Only previous models manufactured before 2017 support 3D

This might change in 2018 or 2019 when Avatar sequel comes out but for now there will be no new TV made that supports 3D from any of them
This will have a impact on 3D Blu-ray releases from film distributors as more consumers upgrade to 4K TV or standard 1080p TV made in 2017
If the TV manufactures don't provide 3D Support with TV manufactured from 2018 3D blu-ray releases will be at a slow pace compared to before

3D viewing without 3D glasses is in development but until that gets used in consumer TV's 3D don't look to have a future

 

[ChrisIW]

Not according to the senior chief execs at both Samsung and LG, 4K has been an absolute distaster, and yes I did speak to them first hand! 4K is not rising at all, its failing epically worldwide. 3D was always niche but it was a niche thats outsold 4K. By 2018 4K will be gone completely as its already a sinking ship loosing electronics firms vast amounts of money! Funny how flagship models on the biggest TV's are offering 3D as a main selling point. I WORK in this industry. 4K is DEAD!

Good to hear, it winds me up every time I see companies trying to make out that 4k is going to be the next big thing that is going to be in every home. It was only ever going to be a niche thing - which is fine, but 3D is my niche of choice ....which is why I probably won't be buying this.

 

[psychoscot]

I very much doubt it, it's the other way round. You will see less and less 3D discs now the manufacturers no longer support it. Like it or not 4K looks like it's here to stay and more and more releases will include it.

Incorrect, Having spoken to several studio execs they will continue to support 3D bluray but many of the studios are not supporting 4K at all and won't be starting to do so.

This isn't opinion, its straight facts, 4K has already failed. The choice to exclude 3D was done in 2015 to try and push 4K sales, its been a disaster. sales have dropped, as the vast majority of the public outside the US have zero interest in it. 3D offered something different, to the naked eye on anything under 50inch 4K doesn't. Unless the price drops hugely on 4K models and I mean bargain basement prices it wont survive.

You only have to look at the media and press reports from CES this year, absolute disaster with every company cmoming off badly. They backed a horse no one put money on.

 

[paulboland]

Incorrect, Having spoken to several studio execs they will continue to support 3D bluray but many of the studios are not supporting 4K at all and won't be starting to do so.

This isn't opinion, its straight facts, 4K has already failed. The choice to exclude 3D was done in 2015 to try and push 4K sales, its been a disaster. sales have dropped, as the vast majority of the public outside the US have zero interest in it. 3D offered something different, to the naked eye on anything under 50inch 4K doesn't. Unless the price drops hugely on 4K models and I mean bargain basement prices it wont survive.

You only have to look at the media and press reports from CES this year, absolute disaster with every company cmoming off badly. They backed a horse no one put money on.

Any consumer who purchases a TV manufactured in 2017 this includes all TV's both 4K and 1080p TV's will not be able to watch film in 3D as the TV panels won't have 3D support
It wont made a difference if you have a 3D Blu-ray player as the TV's made in 2017 won't support 3D

A consumer will have to purchase a TV Model that was manufactured before 2017 to have a TV with 3D Support

2018 and beyond it's unknown yet what the TV manufactures will do regarding 3D hopefully it will be 3D viewing without 3D glasses

 

[Sigill]

Incorrect, Having spoken to several studio execs they will continue to support 3D bluray but many of the studios are not supporting 4K at all and won't be starting to do so.

This isn't opinion, its straight facts, 4K has already failed. The choice to exclude 3D was done in 2015 to try and push 4K sales, its been a disaster. sales have dropped, as the vast majority of the public outside the US have zero interest in it. 3D offered something different, to the naked eye on anything under 50inch 4K doesn't. Unless the price drops hugely on 4K models and I mean bargain basement prices it wont survive.

You only have to look at the media and press reports from CES this year, absolute disaster with every company cmoming off badly. They backed a horse no one put money on.

I don't see studio execs continuing to support 3D Blu-ray. A quick look at the releases schedule shows that. There's only a handed over releases in the next few months. Pretty soon TV's with 3D capabilities will be hard to find now that all manufactures have dropped 3D support. Pretty much every new TV comes with 4K support. I think prices will drop and more people will buy it. The prices on 4K TVs are already coming down not to mention HDR. No need for a big TV to see the effect that has on the picture.
I do like 3D but I accept that the format doesn't have a future. There's definatly a push for 4K even if a lot of people aren't interested yet, it will soon become standard in TV's. The last reports I saw said that 4K disc sales were better than Blu-rays when they were released. That doesn't tell the whole story but I don't see it going anywhere soon.

 

[ChrisIW]

Any consumer who purchases a TV manufactured in 2017 this includes all TV's both 4K and 1080p TV's will not be able to watch film in 3D as the TV panels won't have 3D support
It wont made a difference if you have a 3D Blu-ray player as the TV's made in 2017 won't support 3D

A consumer will have to purchase a TV Model that was manufactured before 2017 to have a TV with 3D Support

2018 and beyond it's unknown yet what the TV manufactures will do regarding 3D hopefully it will be 3D viewing without 3D glasses

I strongly believed this was only a temporary situation, even before I saw @psychoscot's "insider info" - now I'm convinced of it.

They gambled on 3D adopters ditching their entire collections to make way for 4k only TVs, but it hasn't quite worked like that. Instead they're forcing 3D adopters to buy older, cheaper models - which means less profits. So it probably won't last & 3D will be back as a standard feature very soon (regardless of whether they persist with 4k).

 

[BluSteel2012]

I know this isn't the right thread (maybe the MODS can move it to the right place) but there's a great petition here to save 3D if you're into that kind of thing.......

https://www.change.org/p/lg-please-...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

It's got almost 10,000 signatures already so there's definitely some support for it.

 

[ChrisIW]

I know this isn't the right thread (maybe the MODS can move it to the right place) but there's a great petition here to save 3D if you're into that kind of thing.......

https://www.change.org/p/lg-please-...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

Cool, thanks mate I tried looking to sign something like this a few months ago but there wasn't anything around then.

 

[BluSteel2012]

Cool, thanks mate I tried looking to sign something like this a few months ago but there wasn't anything around then.

No worries. I signed it myself too!

 

[paulboland]

I strongly believed this was only a temporary situation, even before I saw @psychoscot's "insider info" - now I'm convinced of it.

They gambled on 3D adopters ditching their entire collections to make way for 4k only TVs, but it hasn't quite worked like that. Instead they're forcing 3D adopters to buy older, cheaper models - which means less profits. So it probably won't last & 3D will be back as a standard feature very soon (regardless of whether they persist with 4k).

3D without 3D Glasses is the only way I can see 3D having a future
James Cameron Wants Glasses-Free 3D For The 'Avatar' Sequels if that happens then 3D will survive and have a future
It's in development 3D without the glasses and there has been prototypes made but not yet ready for consumer market

I personally rarely watch a film in 3D and 98% of the time it's in 2D
I might watch a first viewing with a very small number of 3D Blu-ray releases and only release to date from start to finish I watched in 3D was Avatar
Repeat viewings of all films is always in 2D and not in 3D with the 3D Blu-ray's I have

 

[howarmat]

I know this isn't the right thread (maybe the MODS can move it to the right place) but there's a great petition here to save 3D if you're into that kind of thing.......

https://www.change.org/p/lg-please-...utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

It's got almost 10,000 signatures already so there's definitely some support for it.

Signed as well! I dont want to see 3d go, i just dont see it lasting to much longer. Hell i am considering a 2016 OLED over 2017 just to keep 3d

 

[BluSteel2012]

Signed as well! I dont want to see 3d go, i just dont see it lasting to much longer. Hell i am considering a 2016 OLED over 2017 just to keep 3d

Great, thanks.

Let's try and get it up as near the 10,000 as we can. Let others know about it too.

 

[lgans316]

Incorrect, Having spoken to several studio execs they will continue to support 3D bluray but many of the studios are not supporting 4K at all and won't be starting to do so.

This isn't opinion, its straight facts, 4K has already failed. The choice to exclude 3D was done in 2015 to try and push 4K sales, its been a disaster. sales have dropped, as the vast majority of the public outside the US have zero interest in it. 3D offered something different, to the naked eye on anything under 50inch 4K doesn't. Unless the price drops hugely on 4K models and I mean bargain basement prices it wont survive.

You only have to look at the media and press reports from CES this year, absolute disaster with every company cmoming off badly. They backed a horse no one put money on.

It is way too early to make such bold statements. No one wants to go backwards when there is a.superior alternative just like we buy premium releases instead of bare bones Steelbooks. As a former owner of HD DVD and an early Blu-ray adopter, I was scare mongered that both fotmats are bound to fail but it didn't with Blu-ray winning the format war. We all embraced it and I am sure we will slowly embrace 4K when we have the budget.

What is killing 4K is the price (which is understandable as we all paid sky high prices for.Blu-rays in 2006-2007) and lack of native 4K content for UHD Blu-rays. 9 in 10 are upcomverts arenot offering any significant upgrade in PQ. Also it requires a reasonably big screen 65 inches plus from a close distance to truly appreciate 4K.

Just give the new format some time to pick up steam. Let's not kill it prematurely.

 

[psychoscot]

It is way too early to make such bold statements. No one wants to go backwards when there is a.superior alternative just like we buy premium releases instead of bare bones Steelbooks. As a former owner of HD DVD and an early Blu-ray adopter, I was scare mongered that both fotmats are bound to fail but it didn't with Blu-ray winning the format war. We all embraced it and I am sure we will slowly embrace 4K when we have the budget.

What is killing 4K is the price (which is understandable as we all paid sky high prices for.Blu-rays in 2006-2007) and lack of native 4K content for UHD Blu-rays. 9 in 10 are upcomverts arenot offering any significant upgrade in PQ. Also it requires a reasonably big screen 65 inches plus from a close distance to truly appreciate 4K.

Just give the new format some time to pick up steam. Let's not kill it prematurely.

As an insider I knew Bluray would win from day 1, HD DVD was just a joke. If porn doesn't adopt it completely then it fails. Porn chooses what the format will be, has done since VHS won. Porn has been very reluctant to move to 4K except on a few sites and won't be doing so. It's backed bluray and 3D and continues to do so. 4K was over before it even got going, it's not a big enough step up considering what's coming and coming soon. It's why Sony never made the ps4 completely 4K, there isn't enough people changing.

 

[lgans316]

There is good chance that it will be around £29.99 for release.
Labyrinth came out at that price and hung around at it for quite a while before the price dropped to a reasonable price (still too high if you ask me for it's age).

4K is such a waste of time, it will be gone in no time. No way I am upgrading all my kit just for a short term upgrade, I'll wait for BD's true successor.

And what would.that successor be?

In terms of audio, we have almost reached the pinnacle.

4K is almost close to master quality video source. Almost like they are giving us the film negatives in a compressed and lossless format.

Don't tell 8K as it will shake up the Studios quite bad as they are rare and used as masters to produce theatrical and home video ofgerings in compressed format. It will be studio giving us the holy grail.

 

[SonicBoom]

It is way too early to make such bold statements. No one wants to go backwards when there is a.superior alternative just like we buy premium releases instead of bare bones Steelbooks. As a former owner of HD DVD and an early Blu-ray adopter, I was scare mongered that both fotmats are bound to fail but it didn't with Blu-ray winning the format war. We all embraced it and I am sure we will slowly embrace 4K when we have the budget.

What is killing 4K is the price (which is understandable as we all paid sky high prices for.Blu-rays in 2006-2007) and lack of native 4K content for UHD Blu-rays. 9 in 10 are upcomverts arenot offering any significant upgrade in PQ. Also it requires a reasonably big screen 65 inches plus from a close distance to truly appreciate 4K.

Just give the new format some time to pick up steam. Let's not kill it prematurely.

This is different though. There was a very visible leap from VHS to DVD and a smaller leap from DVD to BD.

There is almost no difference going to 4K. It was too soon, and too expensive. Also, the majority of consumers won't care because DVD is 'good enough'. That's why people are still streaming MP3s and listening to music on ear buds. The streaming and convenience is better than spending more money.

3D has something unique to offer. I love 3D but haven't bought a new set because my current set is only 2-3 yrs old. Once it dies, I will definitely be hunting for a new 3D set no matter what the cost is. I think many people are in the same boat and 3D will be in demand again in 5 years if not sooner.

 

[Actarus]

@psychoscot

sorry for maybe a redundant Question but this thread is too long to read. But I am wondering why the North American Amaray of Passengers 3D + 2D also Includes the UHD Disk ?

Why is the UHD included with the ''3D edition'' as to my knowledge both technologies are not compatible so a customer looking to buy the 3D disk has to pay for a useless UHD Disk ?

 

[darczap]

4k brings a lot more to the table than 3D ever could.

1) Gaming
2) Streaming
3) UHD Blu Ray
4) Video recording

Im not saying this to slight 3D because I really enjoy 3D.

4k is crossing many different product lines something that 3D could never do. It's in your tv, your smart phone, your computer monitor. your streaming subscriptions, the internet (YouTube). So the statement that 4k is dead, failing etc is hearsay and opinionated without a doubt.

Best Buy had a strong third quarter of last year partially due to 4k tv sales. PS4 PRO, which utilizes 4k and HDR, is selling strong for Sony. There is a growing market for 4k. I'm not saying it's going to dominate the market but there's a healthy demand for 4K products.

 

[WKRP]

I will either get a 4K+3D TV this year and an Oppo to go with it; or hope in a few years for glasses-free 3D; If I do the first then it would not be smart to spend more $$$$ to upgrade to the latter.

 

[peter chrisp]

Well it took me a long time before i decided to change over to ultra 4k television & an ultra 4k compatible bluray player. It took me around 2 years as it's obvious when something comes out brand new you pay through the roof