So who is going over to 4k blu ray or planning to in the future? i`ve been looking into it and considering most films are filmed in 2k is this going to be like 3D anther fad that will die or will this be the next format to replace blu ray?
4k or not to 4k
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I've bought 2 4k televisions, I have the Oppo 103D with the 4k upscale, and recently purchased the Samsung UBD-K8500 4K player to go along with the tvs. I have to say, I'm very impressed so far with the capabilities of the tvs, the colors pop and the clarity are truly a sight to see. I did a self calibration with the Disney Wow blu-ray, and it definitely made a difference in fine tuning the picture to my liking.
I've bought 3 UHD movies so far, I've only watched Sicario, but have to say wasn't that impressed with the picture quality from a UHD perspective. The picture looked beautiful, but just didn't pop like I thought a UHD would. The best picture quality I've come across, is the 4k remastered Japanese release of Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea, the picture was absolutely jaw dropping. I've also been impressed with the way the 2k movies have been upscaled to near 4k quality. The only broadcasts I've been impressed with are the movies on Turner Classic Movies, some of those movies look stunning, and are close to 4k quality.
That being said, I'm hoping is not a fad like 3D. But I think that if you are not a Videophile or Audiophile like most of us are on these forums, that most people will just buy the 4K tvs, and not take advantage of the full capabilities for what they were intended. I also believe the price is definitely a determining factor as well, when me and my Fiancee went to look at the 4K's, we saw 1080p tvs that were dirt cheap. If you are a regular consumer and you had a choice between a 1080p or 4K, and the 1080p is thousands cheaper, the consumer will naturally buy the cheaper option.
I also think the industries have made it hard for new formats to stick around as well. Each time you get used to a format, there's quickly a new one over the horizon when the current format is still fairly new. We haven't even got used to, nor close to seeing the perfecting of the 4K format, and already the 8K's are over the horizon. They just make the buying experience sometimes more complicated then it should be, with the OLED, HDR and regular 4K tvs, the average consumer will not know what any of that means, and just go with the cheapest option with a good PQ.
But I'm definitely going into the 4K format strong, and hope that it will be a staple for years to come
I've bought 3 UHD movies so far, I've only watched Sicario, but have to say wasn't that impressed with the picture quality from a UHD perspective. The picture looked beautiful, but just didn't pop like I thought a UHD would. The best picture quality I've come across, is the 4k remastered Japanese release of Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea, the picture was absolutely jaw dropping. I've also been impressed with the way the 2k movies have been upscaled to near 4k quality. The only broadcasts I've been impressed with are the movies on Turner Classic Movies, some of those movies look stunning, and are close to 4k quality.
That being said, I'm hoping is not a fad like 3D. But I think that if you are not a Videophile or Audiophile like most of us are on these forums, that most people will just buy the 4K tvs, and not take advantage of the full capabilities for what they were intended. I also believe the price is definitely a determining factor as well, when me and my Fiancee went to look at the 4K's, we saw 1080p tvs that were dirt cheap. If you are a regular consumer and you had a choice between a 1080p or 4K, and the 1080p is thousands cheaper, the consumer will naturally buy the cheaper option.
I also think the industries have made it hard for new formats to stick around as well. Each time you get used to a format, there's quickly a new one over the horizon when the current format is still fairly new. We haven't even got used to, nor close to seeing the perfecting of the 4K format, and already the 8K's are over the horizon. They just make the buying experience sometimes more complicated then it should be, with the OLED, HDR and regular 4K tvs, the average consumer will not know what any of that means, and just go with the cheapest option with a good PQ.
But I'm definitely going into the 4K format strong, and hope that it will be a staple for years to come
Hoping it continues. Will be upgrading my computer at some point next year to play these types of movies. (Just don't have the money at this point in time).
So far, only have the Bad Boys 1 & 2 slip box with 4K versions, but plan on getting both Ghost Busters movies this summer along with a couple others. (The USA anime collector editions have been taking up most of my extra funds.)
So far, only have the Bad Boys 1 & 2 slip box with 4K versions, but plan on getting both Ghost Busters movies this summer along with a couple others. (The USA anime collector editions have been taking up most of my extra funds.)
The problem is that the 4k machines themselves are in their infancy and it'll be a few years before you see machines that will be what I call top notch. When the machines met the standards that the blu-ray machines now do after 10 years on the market then maybe I'm consider a purchase. As for the discs themselves I'm very happy with 99% of the stuff I've purchased on blu-ray and only a few films in 4k would interest me like Ben-Hur, The Ten Commandants. Epics that would truly shine in 4k. Most digital films are a waste of time as they are shot in 2k or 3K and very very few in 4K so most digital films are silmply upscales. There are loads of others considerations which I'm not going to go into here but bottom line: a few years down the line I'll purchase a machine but with limited buys.
What size is your TV? When comparing the Ultra HDs to the Blu-Ray's is the difference that big. I know the HDR makes a big impact but as far as just resolution is it really noticeable from standard viewing distances as some of the 1080P discs already look fantastic. I'm interested but do t want to dive in if the difference isn't that much.
Bad Boys 1 and 2 is the mastered in 4K versions. They are not proper 4K discs, they are 1080P discs at the highest quality possible.
True they are in their infancy, but the Samsung is a damn good machine so far, the upscale from 2k to 4k is on par with my Oppo. I believe Oppo, Marantz or Denon will deliver the top notch player that your speaking of really soon, but of course at a hefty price. Oppo hopes to have their 4K player out later on this year, and I have no doubt that it will be a great player.
Our bedroom set is a 50" Samsung, and the living room set is a 65" LG. I've played UHD, 4K remasters and 2K upscaled to 4K, I did see a little better resolution in the 65", but both pictures popped. I can definitely see the difference from 1080p and the 4k resolution, the 4K clarity is definitely a step up!
As for the HDR, I need to do more reading into that, I've heard good things, and not so good things about HDR. I've read where people say it doesn't make a significant difference, and others have said it does, but the UHD movies are supposedly best viewed in the HDR format.
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Thanks mate, yeah it seems to be a personal preference thing with HDR. The colours are really supposed to pop but whether it's theatrically correct I don't think anyone's sure. I think it will take a bit of time before everything is finalised and all the standards are set.
I'm still undecided if I will upgrade to an HDR set, I think I will go by Best Buy and see if they have the set up to see the difference.
While it can be useful that chart is just for optimal distances. You would have to sit ridiculously close to get any benefit going off the chart whereas I don't think it's that drastic in reality. You would still see a difference but it wouldn't be optimal. I do think the main selling point of 4K Blu-ray is going to be the HDR and Wider Colour Gamut that the new discs bring. These will be visible on any size of TV no matter where you are sat. Whether that's enough to make people buy new equipment is another story though, BD's already look excellent so it will be a hard sell.
I am fortunate to be going to the NAB Show next week where NHK will be demonstrating a live 8K broadcast in preparation of the 2016 Olympics games. Here is an article as food for thought and discussion on the longevity of 4K UHD TVs and the "ultimate TV display" - http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...-technology-ahead-of-2020-games/#.Vw8UJzArIuU
OLED and HDR are more of a draw than 4K. The difference between 1080p and 4K is not as dramatic a shift as 480 SD to 1080 HD was. The average person (non cinephile) does not see it. (Many Non cinephiles still don't realize the difference between DVDs and Blu rays!).
Streaming is again no contest vs. physical media with 4K. But there is very little out there, and the looming "next step" (and, really, the only/final step - 8K, is looming.)
If it knocks you out, great. But I truly believe that we have the top of the mountain already, and further
(over) tweaking is actually going over the summit, and going back down the other side of the mountain.
Distance to screen size will always be important. 4K demands 60" or larger TV and 8K wil demand 85" or larger.
But, if you look up science studies- 4K is just about the limit the human eye can discern a difference. Technologically, we can keep going- but we won't see a difference, no matter how much we may think we do.
That is science.
But, I beg of you, if you buy a 4K TV - make it OLED. (I have been watching an 65" LG 4K flat screen for the last 2 weeks. The blacks are killer. But I will wait another year, at least, to see how things shake out. 65" is the largest from LG right now, and I'm not going down from my 75" HD Samsung.
Plus - I want to see what they implement in the next models. This is one leap I will not be the first on the block to make (even though I usually am one of the first). And, I love 1080p - I have no desire to replace my collection of blu rays at all.)
As I said in the opening- the HDR and OLED screen are the most exciting part - the jump from 1080p to 4K is a very minor increase - but the OLED black level, and increased color gamut IS the more interesting development.
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I am sure I read somewhere that 8K was the absolute top resolution that the human eye can disypher .
8 K will be future proof .
Not to say that once that point is reached other things will be tryed on top . Like 3D and Virtual Reality .
Me I am going to hang on for as long as possible before deciding what yo get not get . As 4 to 6 months later the next newist upgrade will be out and mine will be old hat .
I am sure I read somewhere that 8K was the absolute top resolution that the human eye can disypher .
8 K will be future proof .
Not to say that once that point is reached other things will be tryed on top . Like 3D and Virtual Reality .
Me I am going to hang on for as long as possible before deciding what yo get not get . As 4 to 6 months later the next newist upgrade will be out and mine will be old hat .
Sounds awesome Ash, enjoy it!
I have looked at the OLED models and the colours are far superior to anything else I have seen. Unfortunatly they are not cheap yet but as prices fall I will be more likely to be interested in them. I agree about the resolution being the least important factor, it's more about the HDR and Wide Colour Gamuts. I think 4K will be difficult enough to get people into let alone 8K. I also think the size becomes an issue, how many people will have room for an 80"+ screen to get the full benefit! I am hoping to pick up a 4K player in the future though when the prices fall a little.
Sounds awesome Ash, enjoy it!
I have looked at the OLED models and the colours are far superior to anything else I have seen. Unfortunatly they are not cheap yet but as prices fall I will be more likely to be interested in them. I agree about the resolution being the least important factor, it's more about the HDR and Wide Colour Gamuts. I think 4K will be difficult enough to get people into let alone 8K. I also think the size becomes an issue, how many people will have room for an 80"+ screen to get the full benefit! I am hoping to pick up a 4K player in the future though when the prices fall a little.
The OLED is what I'm leaning towards getting, the reviews I've read on them are definitely better then most of the HDR models out now that I've read about.
The page I came across about techradar reviews of the best 4K televisions out for 2016. Click Here
Also- very soon the OLEDs will be millimeters thick, and will mount with magnets (and can be rolled up!).Sounds awesome Ash, enjoy it!
I have looked at the OLED models and the colours are far superior to anything else I have seen. Unfortunatly they are not cheap yet but as prices fall I will be more likely to be interested in them. I agree about the resolution being the least important factor, it's more about the HDR and Wide Colour Gamuts. I think 4K will be difficult enough to get people into let alone 8K. I also think the size becomes an issue, how many people will have room for an 80"+ screen to get the full benefit! I am hoping to pick up a 4K player in the future though when the prices fall a little.
They have already showed them at trade shows (and an earlier version was used at the China Olympic games).
These are basically ready- the hurdle they have to jump is the inputs and outputs (which will probably have to be ribbon wire).
(Oh! And of course- THE PRICE!
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