Alien Abductions

[jefXfree]

So what are your thoughts on them?

 

[jefXfree]

there has to be an insane amount of things to occur on a planet in order for life to even be a possibility. like, the statistics of it all are ridiculous. scientists don't even know how life started on THIS planet, so how do we expect to figure out if its possible on planets we have never even seen?

its funny, because when i was studying general bio, one of the pre-existing proofs for life to exist is that there was something living previously to the new thing's existence. so our scientific understanding of it all is that "life begets life." we have no idea how your first start life from a bunch of organic compounds.

having said that, from what i hear there are certainly lots of planets that are close enough to stars for there to be a possibility for the right conditions to occur for the planet to sustain life forms. i still think the odds are severely against it, but IF life does exist on another planet somewhere, its even insanely more unlikely that the life form is advanced as the human race.

if alien life exists they are probably bacteria, and i doubt that alien bacteria are going around abducting peoples.

but when it comes down to it, theres so little we really know about that kinda stuff...

While I both understand and agree with that statement I just find it hard to believe that Earth is so lucky. I mean it makes sense that it happened on one place by accident and in no other place I suppose...

BUT I think there's SOMETHING out there... And I agree it's probably a very basic life-form. I know a lot of people want to see humanoids, but I'd FLIP OUT if we found pond scum, plant life, or anything else... I mean bacteria is cool, but I'd like something a little more profound... But not necessarily human-like.

 

[Scoot87]

Just imagine if Transformers was true ay. There would be carnage everywhere.

I honestly believe there has to be something else out there. How many universe's are there. Its stupid to think that in as many million univere's there is onyl life on one planet, its a bit far fetched to be honest. I just think that are tech has not improved in space. I mean why has no one decided to build a craft that goes at the speed of light. I know movies have damaged my mind with this, so if i come out with wacky ideas its because of that.

 

[mobius387]

Just imagine if Transformers was true ay. There would be carnage everywhere.

I honestly believe there has to be something else out there. How many universe's are there. Its stupid to think that in as many million univere's there is onyl life on one planet, its a bit far fetched to be honest. I just think that are tech has not improved in space. I mean why has no one decided to build a craft that goes at the speed of light. I know movies have damaged my mind with this, so if i come out with wacky ideas its because of that.

do you mean why has no human built a space ship or something that can go the speed of light???

even if we had a space ship that could go that fast, it would take hundreds of years to get to the closest stars/planets.

we would need to figure out how to use worm-holes.

 

[Kingjames56]

Just imagine if Transformers was true ay. There would be carnage everywhere.

I honestly believe there has to be something else out there. How many universe's are there. Its stupid to think that in as many million univere's there is onyl life on one planet, its a bit far fetched to be honest. I just think that are tech has not improved in space. I mean why has no one decided to build a craft that goes at the speed of light. I know movies have damaged my mind with this, so if i come out with wacky ideas its because of that.

I heard (maybe I'm wrong) we're extremely close to the speed of light. French scientists demonstrated that they could actually control the SOL, by slowing it down and speeding it up. All of the science fiction things are possible. Like Harry Potters invisible cloak. They actually do that to a small degree but the problem is they can't get it to be able to look through it. They can teleport atoms from point a to point b. Everything they want to do they need Anti-matter, which is almost impossible.

This is exactly what the EPFL team has demonstrated. Using their Stimulated Brillouin Scattering (SBS) method, the group was able to slow a light signal down by a factor of 3.6, creating a sort of temporary "optical memory." They were also able to create extreme conditions in which the light signal travelled faster than 300 million meters a second. And even though this seems to violate all sorts of cherished physical assumptions, Einstein needn't move over – relativity isn't called into question, because only a portion of the signal is affected.

 

[jefXfree]

do you mean why has no human built a space ship or something that can go the speed of light???

even if we had a space ship that could go that fast, it would take hundreds of years to get to the closest stars/planets.

we would need to figure out how to use worm-holes.

When I was a kid I used to have this nightmare that I was an astronaut and I take off on a space ship against the authority of everyone to prove that there is life in space... I've been traveling super fast for like 10 years and i'm half way to my destination when another ship zooms past me but doesn't stop to help me. And they make the discovery first...

I think this sort of thing would happen in real life if we were to try to go somewhere in deep space.

After 10 years technology would advance so far that a faster better ship would be built...

 

[mobius387]

When I was a kid I used to have this nightmare that I was an astronaut and I take off on a space ship against the authority of everyone to prove that there is life in space... I've been traveling super fast for like 10 years and i'm half way to my destination when another ship zooms past me but doesn't stop to help me. And they make the discovery first...

I think this sort of thing would happen in real life if we were to try to go somewhere in deep space.

After 10 years technology would advance so far that a faster better ship would be built...

i took a little physics as well, check this out for a brain warp:

as far as we know (which like i said, is relatively little), if you built a space ship that went 99.9% of the speed of light and a ship that went 100% the speed of light, and then launched them side by side, the astronauts in the 99.9% ship would see the 100% ship fly away from them at the speed of light

or at least it goes something like that. the properties of light speed are pretty crazy. when they studied the expansion of the universe, they found that the universe is bigger (i.e. stretches farther in light years) than allowable for light to travel that far in the given amount of time of how old they think the universe is. so either the universe is much older than they hypothesize, or light can actually travel faster than 3.0 x 10^8 m/s (or it could when the universe was "younger")

again, this stuff is all theory, so if you dont believe it, you are probably right, cause im sure it will get overturned someday with new science

 

[jefXfree]

yeah I read some of that stuff about light travel and space's "age." It's weird to me to think that, if the first hypothesis is right, that the ends of space (if you can say that) are expanding so rapidly that it's void of all light, and that light is racing to catch it.

That's crazy talk. lol

 

[Kingjames56]

The way I heard it is that if Im traveling at the speed of light and your just walking around I would be moving in super slow motion because we would be on two different time waves. A trip that would only take me a couple minutes, would be years upon years for you.

 

[Scoot87]

i took a little physics as well, check this out for a brain warp:

as far as we know (which like i said, is relatively little), if you built a space ship that went 99.9% of the speed of light and a ship that went 100% the speed of light, and then launched them side by side, the astronauts in the 99.9% ship would see the 100% ship fly away from them at the speed of light

or at least it goes something like that. the properties of light speed are pretty crazy. when they studied the expansion of the universe, they found that the universe is bigger (i.e. stretches farther in light years) than allowable for light to travel that far in the given amount of time of how old they think the universe is. so either the universe is much older than they hypothesize, or light can actually travel faster than 3.0 x 10^8 m/s (or it could when the universe was "younger")

again, this stuff is all theory, so if you dont believe it, you are probably right, cause im sure it will get overturned someday with new science

Wow you lost me lol

I get what your saying? I think you will see something like this one day. But then again they said we would have flying cars by now, sod ont hold your breath

 

[mobius387]

The way I heard it is that if Im traveling at the speed of light and your just walking around I would be moving in super slow motion because we would be on two different time waves. A trip that would only take me a couple minutes, would be years upon years for you.

or if you are traveling the speed of light, they aren't sure if you will age at all, since you are maxing out the motion through the 3 spacial dimensions, and you have no motion left in the time dimension. thats even more confusing.

technically, since everything is relative, we are all "time traveling" anytime we move faster relative to someone else. however, since even flying on an airplane is insanely slow relative to light speed, the amount of time lapsed is insanely small.

so, lets say you hopped on a plane and flew around the world and it took you 20 hours flying @ 800 mph. then you had a buddy who waited for you on the runway for your return. You both have extremely sensitive stop watches (they can record down to the nano second), and you both start them as soon as you take off.

after 20 hours you return and you both stop your watches the same time you land. then you go an compare. his stop watch will be like (making this up) 25 nano seconds longer than yours was. so relative to him, since he was not moving through the 3 spacial dimensions and totally through the time dimension, it took you longer to make the trip. but relative to you it was shorter, since you were moving 800 mph through space and 3x10^8 m/s - 800 mph through time.

 

[mobius387]

lol, we should just rename this thread "light speed discussion!"

 

[Illiciter]

The one that was fun for me is that if you travel half the distance from point a to point b, and then traveled half that distance, and so on into infinity you'll never reach point b.


As far as the ever expanding universe.. it has been determined that scientists can only see as far back into space as light has traveled. Since space and time are relative that could mean that we can only see as far into space as light has traveled relative to our point in space but say on the other side of the universe in another point in space they cannot see us because they can only see as far as light has traveled relative to their position in space which would mean it only "seems" it's expanding when really it's just us watching the proverbial flare into the night sky light up the universe over time.

 

[Kingjames56]

Now this is amazing, it's about listening and taking baby pictures of the Big Bang.

Alas, in business, as in love and even in science, life can be so unfair. Has anyone ever gotten credit for your ideas? As in the latest Fed Ex ad, have your insights been ridiculed, only to win accolades for others?

Yesterday, John Mather and George Smoot won the Nobel Prize in Physics for providing "increased support for the Big Bang scenario for the origin of the universe." Of course, they richly deserved the Prize. But so did George Gamow and his students, who made their stunning prediction back in 1948, but never got the Prize.
Gamow was one of the principle architects of the Big Bang theory, the seminal idea that the entire universe began in an unimaginably hot explosion, which blasted the stars and galaxies in all directions in an expanding universe.

But how do you test this idea? He and his students, Ralph Alpher and Robert Herman, reasoned that the Big Bang must have been so blistering hot that its radiation might still be circulating around the universe even today. They predicted that this "echo of Genesis", the afterglow of the Big Bang, would have cooled down after billions of years, filling the universe with a chilly radiation 5 degrees above absolute zero. Their landmark paper is arguably one of the most influential papers of 20th century science, opening up the field of cosmology as a true science.

Unfortunately, their paper was met with deafening silence. It was quickly relegated to the dust bin of preposterous ideas that are wildly speculative and impossible to test.
But in 1965, Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson were scanning the heavens with the huge Holmdell Horn Radio Telescope in New Jersey, which picked up a pesky background "noise" which filled the sky. They were mystified, and even thought this annoying static might be due to bird droppings on the telescope. Later, it was pointed out to them that this spurious noise was probably not bird droppings, but the residual radiation from the creation of the universe, predicted by Gamow. (Remarkably, this echo from the Big Bang makes up a significant fraction of the static you hear on the radio. You literally pick up signals from Genesis itself every time you spin the radio dial. And if we somehow had eyes that could see microwave radiation, we would see this radiation from Genesis come out every night, filling up the night sky with a soft, faint glow.)

Wilson and Penzias won the Nobel Prize in 1978. Their work determined that Gamow's background radiation was 2.7 degrees above zero, remarkably close the original prediction. But Gamow and his students were pointedly ignored. Gamow, ever the gentleman, never complained publicly, but in private letters he wrote that it was unfair that they never won the Nobel Prize for their pioneering work.

The latest Nobel Prize recognizes the work of Mather and Smoot, who used the Cosmic Background Explorer (COBE) space satellite, launched in 1989, to give us the most detailed chart of Gamow's fossil radiation. Their stunning picture of the Big Bang's relic radiation was dubbed by the press as "the face of God." It was not the face of God, but a "baby picture" of the infant universe when it was only about 400,000 years old, clearly showing the tiny ripples which would eventually grow into today's galaxies.
So why did the Nobel Prize committee ignore Gamow? Some have argued that the Nobel committee couldn't take him seriously because he was an amateur cartoonist who wrote children's books (e.g. the classic "Mr. Thompkins in Wonderland" series, which were the first to inspire generations of school children, myself included, to the wonders of quantum physics and relativity.) Others have said it was because he was too colorful a figure, notorious for his practical jokes. (He once added physicist Hans Bethe's name, without his permission, to a paper written by him and his student Alpher, so it could be called the Alpher-Bethe-Gamow paper.) He was also famous for his silly limericks. (He once wrote: There was a young fellow from Trinity/ Who took the square root of infinity/ But the number of digits/ Gave him the figits;/ He dropped Math and took up Divinity.)

It's a disgrace that Gamow and his students never got the Prize. But perhaps they got something even more important. Prizes come and go. But the ultimate testament to their monumental work comes out every night, when the residual radiation they predicted fills up the entire night sky, bathing all of us with the glow from Genesis itself.

 

[jefXfree]

The one that was fun for me is that if you travel half the distance from point a to point b, and then traveled half that distance, and so on into infinity you'll never reach point b.

another thing like that that has always got me was that if you take a single sheet of paper and fold in it half infinitely, eventually it will reach the moon. Because of the way it expands with each fold. Though it'd be impossible to test, it's still an awesome thought.

 

[Illiciter]

another thing like that that has always got me was that if you take a single sheet of paper and fold in it half infinitely, eventually it will reach the moon. Because of the way it expands with each fold. Though it'd be impossible to test, it's still an awesome thought.

Wow.. would that be like a nano sized square piece of folded paper or what?!

 

[Scoot87]

Are we really starting all this again lol