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Kingsman: The Secret Service (Blu-ray SteelBook) (HMV Exclusive) [UK]
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If this is 100% the same I'll be pretty p*ssed off. Manta only allowed the quarter slip as part of the one click, I really wasn't interested in another slipped version, I just wanted the steelbook, but ended up having to buy one of the slipped versions just to get the steel. If this does turn out to be the same steel I'll be reluctant to buy any Fox title again from Manta. Instead I'll wait for HMV to get it 6 months later at a third of the price.
There are so many non-premium Steelbooks that were given a proper treatment and still available for cheap here in the UK.
I think this is going to look identical to the ML release as I believe ML's print run was 2500. So HMV might have got the remaining 1500 from the cheeky 21st century Fox.
If the print run of this is low and if it sells out this might be worth close to ML release.
Totally agree with you about finishes, what I meant though, is that a change in finishes should not be enough to negate the exclusivity with a specific retailer. It wouldn't be so bad if it was just one of the images being used, but they've taken something that Manta were obviously under the impression would be available only through them, and given it to someone else. I'm sure it won't do too much damage but it does make Manta look bad IMO.
There's always going to be re releases of steelbooks, which I'm fine with, reusing supposed exclusive artwork just doesn't sit right with me though. I very rarely buy premium editions (I own around 10) and WEA is the main deciding factor for me, followed by the slip design. I'm still confused why Kingsman didn't get a steelbook release over here from the very beginning, I probably wouldn't have got a premium edition if it had.
Lol sue? Fox can do what they want. They own the franchise. All they done is given Manta the license to sell their franchise. In this case steelbooks. If Fox wants to release this to HMV six months later it's their decision. Not morally ethical at all but it's marketing and business sense due to the sequel coming out, the large fan base, and how fast Manta sold theirs.
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Sorry, 'Marketing and business sense' doesn't cut it from a legal standpoint. The Manta Lab offering was (and still is) described on their website clearly as:
"WEA, Exclusive Steelcase designed by Manta Lab" therefore Manta Lab have a legal case.
So are you suggesting Manta Lab can take legal action against Fox for giving HMV approval to release an identicle artwork? Okay, good luck to Manta in that respect
Complete BS that the artwork was designed by ML as it was the FAC Full Slip artwork.
http://www.filmarena-eng.com/blu-ra...lectors-edition-numbered-gift-steelbooks-foil
They can actually
But it all depends on the deal they struck in the contract and a few reasons include:
• fox may of found a legal loophole to let the uk use it meaning manta can't do anything
• the rights are actaully up and manta didn't realise (judging by their response)
• fox don't give a **** and actually going for it which might not end well for them from a legal point of view
It doesn't matter if FA released the WEA slip or not. The retailers have no legal grounds to sue the distributor because it released WEA somewhere to another retailer to sell LOL. Even if the retailer did intend to take legal action, I don't think the distributor will be so kindly in giving them further approval for Kingsman 2
Of course they can
But like I say it all depends on what was agreed. manta could of easily missed small print with the art being allowed to be used in other countries after say 6 months. (Which I doubt they would miss that)
Fox could be using a loophole or the legal on using the art might simply be up. We will most likely never know but if manta want to they can do something about it or at least talk to fox about it.
Which is why I also said it might not help them in the future with their partnership in exclusives
I agree in this respect, if Fox and Manta agreed that WEA will not be used in any other steelbook, then of course say they have legal grounds. But I don't think Fox's legal department be silly enough to agree with that contract. As such, they decided to cash cow and release this in the UK.
That's what I've been trying to say, I don't think fox would of either which is why it's usually after a time period of 6, 12 etc months. So it makes me wonder did manta miss things when signing on the dotted line or have fox found a loophole.
But if this turns out flat and matte then there's the answer and although might be the same art it will be nothing like mantas and that could be the loophole
I understand what you are saying there, but it be foolish for the distributor not to have thought of these basic terms. Anything is liable for legal action if a contract is broken. But what you are stating is the obvious. They got solicitors and legal team that do this for a living that covered all these little corners and as you say loopholes and small print.
Think of it from Manta's point of view. They need the license to sell these. If they don't agree to Fox's term then there is nothing they can do. They are not in a position to tell Fox what to do lol. In otherwords Manta don't really have a choice.
Ethically I don't agree with it. But from a legal stand point, I am sure this has already been covered and agreed between Manta and Fox.
It probably isn't a loophole, I'm just using loophole as one example. like you say fox will know what they are doing and have done this a million times with premium retailers but mantas response implies they were under the impression they were the only ones allowed to use the art on a steelbook meaning fox are doing somthing illegal or manta f*cked up and thought their exclusivity was longer when really it wasn't.
I'm not saying any of these reasons are the case but this is how it looks to me after seeing mantas reply .... I believe it to be the latter
But if the finish is poor on this then it's clear they have used a loophole to use this art
No-one is going to sue anyone...Worst case scenario, the Steelbook won't be released.
Basically it is sh it from Manta's perception and premium collectors who bought this!
I paid good money like everyone else.
It is what it is.
Soon all WEA will just be re-released when there's a good chance it will sell out.
One person I know will be having a massive buzz and probably smirking in the background and having an orgy over this?
Basically it is sh it from Manta's perception and premium collectors who bought this!
I paid good money like everyone else.
It is what it is.
Soon all WEA will just be re-released when there's a good chance it will sell out.
One person I know will be having a massive buzz and probably smirking in the background and having an orgy over this?
Sue ML or Fox...Or even both
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