Logan (Blu-ray SteelBook) (FilmArena Collection #77) [Czech Republic]

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Release date: July 12, 2017
Purchase links: Edition 1 - Edition 2 - Edition 3 - Edition 4 - Edition 5
Price: Edition 1 (999 CZK) - Edition 2 (1099 CZK) - Edition 3 (999 CZK) - Edition 4 (4499 CZK)
HDN Group Buy: Live May 29 at a random time and closes June 6 - each edition limited to 100 copies.
E1 GB open HERE
E2 GB open HERE
E3 GB open HERE
E4 GB open HERE
E5 GB open HERE

Spoiler: Steelbook

Spoiler: Previous Maniacs Box Set Art

FilmArena have listened to feedback and have therefore updated the artwork - more info soon!

 

[yy0925]

This might be an assumption on my part and only @carllenc and @Collector03601 can confirm but what was happening with the old system is people wouldn't pay for their copies so Karel was left with extras he had to pay for out of pocket. Now we have fewer copies available to us because so many weren't being paid for and as a result he won't have leftovers. With the new system, though, we shouldn't be seeing as many unpaid copies, if any at all.

That's my logic anyway.

Ok, at least I know what you meant now

 

[sunnyx]

Mods,

I see 6% PP fees and 7 or 7.5% HDN fee. I am sure the HDN fee used to be flat $1 or $2 in the good old days. Can you please justify why the fee is now at 7%? Is this because of.the new system where you will have to add 5% PP fees on top of the already asses 5% PP fees to be forwarded to Karel? Sorry but 13% of the item price going on fees is very high to what we are used to paying with the old GB system.

To be fair Lgans does have a point. It's not about not supporting HDN, it's a clear break down of the costs. What exactly are we paying and be clear on transparency on the costs so members know. If it's a miscalculation then it needs to be addressed. I got no issues paying for whatever product I buy, I like to know I am not paying more than I should. This is not a critism, perhaps clarification on fees?

 

[Jeek]

Mods,

I see 6% PP fees and 7 or 7.5% HDN fee. I am sure the HDN fee used to be flat $1 or $2 in the good old days. Can you please justify why the fee is now at 7%? Is this because of.the new system where you will have to add 5% PP fees on top of the already asses 5% PP fees to be forwarded to Karel? Sorry but 13% of the item price going on fees is very high to what we are used to paying with the old GB system.

If all the GBs sell out we paid more than 5.000$ fees PP and HDN combined.

 

[yy0925]

Transparency is a good thing. And of course I want to pay as less as possible. But if I break down the known cost factors, it's actually quite reasonable.
For example, in the GB we pay 1253 CZK for Edition 2 in total. That's:

Price: 1100 CZK
Paypal Fee: 6% - 66 CZK
HDN GB Fee: 7,5% - 87 CZK

1100 CZK is the retail price. And I think we all agree that the Paypal fee should not be Karl's problem. Which means for 87 CZK (about 3 EUR) Karl has to pick up the copies from Prag, repack and ship it to our country.
If I order directly from the FA website, I would pay 1099 CZK + 319 CZK = 1418 CZK.
So if I didn't forget anything in my calculation, the GB fee is acutally pretty fair.

The real problem I see here is the price politic from Film Arena itself!

 

[bradipolpo]

Does GB fee include delivery costs from Czech Rep to Europe?
Just €3?

 

[Jeek]

Transparency is a good thing. And of course I want to pay as less as possible. But if I break down the known cost factors, it's actually quite reasonable.
For example, in the GB we pay 1253 CZK for Edition 2 in total. That's:

Price: 1100 CZK
Paypal Fee: 6% - 66 CZK
HDN GB Fee: 7,5% - 87 CZK

1100 CZK is the retail price. And I think we all agree that the Paypal fee should not be Karl's problem. Which means for 87 CZK (about 3 EUR) Karl has to pick up the copies from Prag, repack and ship it to our country.
If I order directly from the FA website, I would pay 1099 CZK + 319 CZK = 1418 CZK.
So if I didn't forget anything in my calculation, the GB fee is acutally pretty fair.

The real problem I see here is the price politic from Film Arena itself!

aren't you forgetting the shipping cost?
do that calculation for E4. it should be about 20€ cheaper ordering direct.

 

[sunnyx]

Transparency is a good thing. And of course I want to pay as less as possible. But if I break down the known cost factors, it's actually quite reasonable.
For example, in the GB we pay 1253 CZK for Edition 2 in total. That's:

Price: 1100 CZK
Paypal Fee: 6% - 66 CZK
HDN GB Fee: 7,5% - 87 CZK

1100 CZK is the retail price. And I think we all agree that the Paypal fee should not be Karl's problem. Which means for 87 CZK (about 3 EUR) Karl has to pick up the copies from Prag, repack and ship it to our country.
If I order directly from the FA website, I would pay 1099 CZK + 319 CZK = 1418 CZK.
So if I didn't forget anything in my calculation, the GB fee is acutally pretty fair.

The real problem I see here is the price politic from Film Arena itself!

Most of us would just pay what we are asked to pay without questioning the invoice. But as Lgans has raised this point then I feel it's only right clarification needs to be set. If the fees have increased we need to know they have. It's not about what you think is 'fair'. If other factors that needed to be considered in the fees we need to know. Think of it like a bank that's changing it's fees, they let us know? So if the fees have gone up let us know. That we we can decide to buy or not instead of all the guessing games thats in the costs.

 

[BluSteel2012]

There's 120 copies of E1 sold in the GB so far.

I thought it was limited to 100 copies?

 

[apsmith21]

Mods,

I see 6% PP fees and 7 or 7.5% HDN fee. I am sure the HDN fee used to be flat $1 or $2 in the good old days. Can you please justify why the fee is now at 7%? Is this because of.the new system where you will have to add 5% PP fees on top of the already asses 5% PP fees to be forwarded to Karel? Sorry but 13% of the item price going on fees is very high to what we are used to paying with the old GB system.

Too high, don't buy.

Maybe you would like to pay out of your own pocket for the 40% MONTHLY increase in server fees HDN incurred by upgrading earlier this month.

Also, ninja week?

Do you see any other forums giving away thousands of prizes every year?

We can continue to reinvest in this site across many areas.

I don't need to justify, but generally if the site was going to stick around changes were required.

Hope we can move on now.

Thanks.

 

[steelbobawny]

@BluSteel2012 I think in the past Karel has been able to get some extra amounts secured for some releases, not sure if that is the case here, could also be an error.

 

[apsmith21]

There's 120 copies of E1 sold in the GB so far.

I thought it was limited to 100 copies?

Karel was able to get approval for 20 more when the first 100 sold out.

 

[steelbobawny]

@apsmith21 I'm not getting involved in the cost debate but I will tell you this the cost of my E5 is still cheaper than buying from a certain UK supplier.

 

[apsmith21]

Most of us would just pay what we are asked to pay without questioning the invoice. But as Lgans has raised this point then I feel it's only right clarification needs to be set. If the fees have increased we need to know they have. It's not about what you think is 'fair'. If other factors that needed to be considered in the fees we need to know. Think of it like a bank that's changing it's fees, they let us know? So if the fees have gone up let us know. That we we can decide to buy or not instead of all the guessing games thats in the costs.

To be fair, there are no guessing games on costs.

Costs are listed in every gb.

Again, you don't like the price, don't buy.

Can the retailer continue to make more editions if they can't sell stock?

No?

Then voice your opinion with your wallet.

 

[lgans316]

Price: 1100 CZK
Paypal Fee: 6% - 66 CZK (this should be 5.2% as that's what PP charges).
HDN GB Fee: 7,5% - 87 CZK - this is nearly 3 GBP for an item that is priced 1100 CZK. This use to be $1 or $2 in the good days. For the hardbox, the HDN fee alone works out to 10 GBP (please correct me if I am wrong). Of course for a single item, 1 to 2 quid increase doesn't look that much but there is nothing wrong in questioning why it has increased? With prices going up and up, all these small increases is denting the wallet even further.

Earlier we used to pay Karel directly. So no questions asked about PP fees. But now the fee has doubled, which could be due to transferring the funds from HDN PP account to Karel's account which means the new GB system is forcing us to pay more. This is where we need HDN Staffs to step in and clarify.

Saying don't buy via GB simply isn't constructive.

 

[Mefisto from Hell]

aren't you forgetting the shipping cost?
do that calculation for E4. it should be about 20€ cheaper ordering direct.

And don't forget about VAT
When I ordering direct FA, I can pay for my order without VAT, because I'm not EU resident !
So why this GB started always with VAT included? I don't understand!

 

[sunnyx]

Well there we have the answer!

To be fair, there are no guessing games on costs.

Costs are listed in every gb.

Again, you don't like the price, don't buy.

Can the retailer continue to make more editions if they can't sell stock?

No?

Then voice your opinion with your wallet.

If I remember correctly HDN fees were $2 per steel. If that has changed to a set percentage is that the case from now on? A percentage rather than a fixed rate? I'm not here to argue about the cost. I am echoeing from Lgans is point of view. It's clarification, nothing more.

 

[apsmith21]

Well there we have the answer!


If I remember correctly HDN fees were $2 per steel. If that has changed to a set percentage is that the case from now on? A percentage rather than a fixed rate? I'm not here to argue about the cost. I am echoeing from Lgans is point of view. It's clarification, nothing more.

Percentage based fees have been active since the new system went live, with many items listed and purchased over the last couple of months.

For most members this is not news guys, and has been discussed at length in the FAQ section of the forum.

 

[Jawcrc]

Transparency is a good thing. And of course I want to pay as less as possible. But if I break down the known cost factors, it's actually quite reasonable.
For example, in the GB we pay 1253 CZK for Edition 2 in total. That's:

Price: 1100 CZK
Paypal Fee: 6% - 66 CZK
HDN GB Fee: 7,5% - 87 CZK

1100 CZK is the retail price. And I think we all agree that the Paypal fee should not be Karl's problem. Which means for 87 CZK (about 3 EUR) Karl has to pick up the copies from Prag, repack and ship it to our country.
If I order directly from the FA website, I would pay 1099 CZK + 319 CZK = 1418 CZK.
So if I didn't forget anything in my calculation, the GB fee is acutally pretty fair.

The real problem I see here is the price politic from Film Arena itself!

The 87czk isn't for Carl's time or anything that goes to hdn directly not to Carl just to clarify for you. It does not go to packing supply's or his time either.

 

[yy0925]

Most of us would just pay what we are asked to pay without questioning the invoice. But as Lgans has raised this point then I feel it's only right clarification needs to be set. If the fees have increased we need to know they have. It's not about what you think is 'fair'. If other factors that needed to be considered in the fees we need to know. Think of it like a bank that's changing it's fees, they let us know? So if the fees have gone up let us know. That we we can decide to buy or not instead of all the guessing games thats in the costs.

I knew what lgans and you were talking about all the time mate. That's why I began my post with "Transparency is a good thing. And of course I want to pay as less as possible."
By the way, thank you for reminding me of the shipping costs, which come additional later. I forgot that in my calculation. That's why I also mentioned "So if I didn't forget anything in my calculation".

Tried to post a bulletproof reply, still got the response I wanted to avoid LOL

 

[yy0925]

The 87czk isn't for Carl's time or anything that goes to hdn directly not to Carl just to clarify for you. It does not go to packing supply's or his time either.

Ok, thank you. See my post above.