The Warriors (1979) (Blu-ray SteelBook) (Zavvi Exclusive) [UK]

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Release date: November 25, 2016
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Did you direct any of those movies? Did the director of the Fugitive want to have comic style panels but couldn't due to technology and/or budgetary constraints?

No, but Walter Hill did and he went back years later and finished what he started. If he brought out the film he wanted to back then, it would still be a cult classic and I guarantee you people wouldn't be saying "oh that films a classic, cant wait for the steelbook from zavvi, if only the director left out the comic book panel scenes 30 years ago, it would've been so much better"

As I understand it the director originally wanted the comic book insert panels, and he has said so often enough over the years, but for various reasons (mentioned in my post above) it was just not possible for him to do it until the re-mastered DVD with 5.1 Dolby Surround mix replacing the Mono for the ultimate Director's Cut prepared and finally released in 2005 to reflect the way he wanted his film to look.

Comparisons of the two cuts have been made by Movie-Censorship.com and as they say:-
"Nothing relevant to the story has been changed, removed or added. Some of the changeovers, however, have been redesigned in comic form and the film now features a new introduction from Hill himself (a part Hill wanted Orson Welles for !) telling of a group of Greek soldiers escaping from the Persian kingdom.
The Director's Cut runs 76 seconds longer than the Theatrical Version."

. . . and this from IGN:-
"More controversial is the use of a comic book metaphor to bridge scene transitions. The picture freezes and turns into an illustrated panel that then moves across the page to the drawing of the start of the next scene. It's a pretty cool effect that reinforces Hill's vision of the movie being a live-action comic book."


Another view can be seen here from A.V. Club which is more in tune with the zeitgeist:-
"Sometimes, bad or unnecessary director’s cuts result from films being victims of their own success. Had Rock Star Games, the innovative, controversial creators of the Grand Theft Auto series, not decided to give Walter Hill’s 1979 cult classic The Warriors the GTA treatment, there would have been no call for an “Ultimate Director’s Cut.” But as a tie-in to the video game release Hill acquiesced to tinker with his comic-book vision of New York City gangs by making the “comic-book” part unnecessarily explicit. This 2007 DVD-only edition features animated segues that color over footage, and sets them within a cutesy graphic context that disrupts the pacing and insults the audience by underlining the film’s cartoonish hyperbole—as if people would otherwise mistake a gang in baseball gear and clown makeup for docu-realism."
 
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I'm not going to make an argument for the panels being a good thing as I never said they were good, I just don't see how some scene transitions ruin an entire cut of a film? Nothing is taken out, it's the same film with an introduction and some scene transitions.

I personally saw the directors cut the first time and have seen the original since and have no preference over either. Once I see that big wheel glowing in the darkness I forget about the introduction and once I see them walking down the beach the last thing I'm thinking about is some comic book style transitions.
 
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I'm not going to make an argument for the panels being a good thing as I never said they were good, I just don't see how some scene transitions ruin an entire cut of a film? Nothing is taken out, it's the same film with an introduction and some scene transitions.

I personally saw the directors cut the first time and have seen the original since and have no preference over either. Once I see that big wheel glowing in the darkness I forget about the introduction and once I see them walking down the beach the last thing I'm thinking about is some comic book style transitions.
Again, their best course of action would have been to include both cuts.
The smallest things do matter. The unicorn in Blade Runner is 5 seconds, and changes everything.
 
If the quote below from Zavvi is anything to go by, then I reckon this steelbook might be going live on Friday, which would make sense since the current release date is the following Monday (21st).
Zavvi and SteelBooks go hand-in-hand. Zavvi is the ultimate hub for all SteelBook collectors with more exclusives, releases and special editions than anyplace else. During Black Friday, SteelBooks will have a big part to play when Zavvi unveil their unbeatable price drops. No titles can be officially announced until the clock strikes twelve, but there’s one thing that can be promised - SteelBook fans, you are in for a treat. Be ready to see a range of titles which include 3-D versions as well as 4K Ultra-HD editions. Black Friday never looked so good. With Universal Studios and Sony Pictures manufacturing a limited number of these collectors’ items, you’ll have to act fast. Save the date, Black Friday 2016 will be more than worth the 12AM alarm for all SteelBook fanatics.

EDIT - Just realised Black Friday is actually on the 25th (rather than this Friday/18th). :facepalm:
 
If the quote below from Zavvi is anything to go by, then I reckon this steelbook might be going live on Friday, which would make sense since the current release date is the following Monday (21st).


EDIT - Just realised Black Friday is actually on the 25th (rather than this Friday/18th). :facepalm:
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You might though have found when the Disney Lenticular releases are going live

Warriors live time is a secret but is soon :LOL:
It's live in November :rofl:
 
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You might though have found when the Disney Lenticular releases are going live

Warriors live time is a secret but is soon :LOL:
It's live in November :rofl:
Typical that it'd be referring to the one thing I don't care about... Disney re-releases. :rolleyes:
 
a lot of directors cuts ruin the pace of a film. its the shxt that should have been left on the cutting room floor but the director is too sentimental to leave them there.

the only people who enjoy directors cuts are fans/enthusiasts.

We are film fans on this forum (myself being one of the biggest) just in case you hadn't noticed. And name examples of directors cut that ruin the pace? I'm intrigued!

Directors are often limited by runtimes for theatrical releases and have to cut scenes out, doesn't mean they are crap scenes that don't contribute, they're normally the scenes that can be trimmed without affecting the overall plot.

There are loads of examples of films that are better in their directors cut form, Zodiac, Aliens, Blade Runner, Watchmen... Even Batman v Superman earlier this year.

The difference between them and warriors, they add scenes, warriors has a introduction and scene transitions, how that makes the cut suck is beyond me.

Difference is with all those examples is that the footage was shot at the time of production. The Warriors UDC didn't utilise any of the additional footage found in the extended TV version and instead inserted animated transitions over existing scenes. Also, with the exception of Zodiac, all the releases included both cuts in HD
 
We are film fans on this forum (myself being one of the biggest) just in case you hadn't noticed. And name examples of directors cut that ruin the pace? I'm intrigued!
Dances With Wolves. One of my favorite films. I was over the moon when an extended cut was announced with an hour of extra footage. While it does include more from the book, and is definitely interesting as an addendum- the pace of the film is completely shot. What was a brisk film (even at 3 hours), became a slog with slow patches that made it hard to watch in one sitting.
Althought most James Cameron films with longer cuts got better, Terminator 2 is definitely not better with the longer cut. All of the additional footage was completely unnecessary and, again, tripped up the pace that was like a Swiss watch in the Theatrical Cut.
In Last of The Mohicans, Michael Mann's DC famously removed a fan favorite scene and removed the Clannad song everybody loved and associated with the film.
Also, in Michael Mann's DC of Manhunter, he removed many people's favorite Will Graham speech about the Tooth Fairy ( "As a child, I weep for him. As an adult, someone needs to blow this sick f**k out of his socks").
Donnie Darko DC adds footage that "literalizes" the entire time travel mystery (ruining it), and removes much of the music from the original that people found synonymous with film (Echo and the Bunnymen's "Killing Moon").
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertai...ctors-cuts-messed-up-their-own-movies/372044/
 
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Dances With Wolves. One of my favorite films. I was over the moon when an extended cut was announced with an hour of extra footage. While it does include more from the book, and is definitely interesting as an addendum- the pace of the film is completely shot. What was a brisk film (even at 3 hours), became a slog with slow patches that made it hard to watch in one sitting.
Althought most James Cameron films with longer cuts got better, Terminator 2 is definitely not better with the longer cut. All of the additional footage was completely unnecessary and, again, tripped up the pace that was like a Swiss watch in the Theatrical Cut.
In Last of The Mohicans, Michael Mann's DC famously removed a fan favorite scene and removed the Clannad song everybody lived and associated with the film.
Also, in Michael Mann's DC of Manhunter, he removed many people's favorite Will Graham speech about the Tooth Fairy ( "As a child, I weep for him. As an adult, someone needs to blow this sick f**k out of his socks").
Donnie Darko DC adds footage that "literalizes" the entire time travel mystery (ruining it), and removes much of the music from the original that people found synonymous with film (Echo and the Bunnymen's "Killing Moon", Tears For Fears "Head over Heels").

Ooooohh good conversation subject! Thank you!

Agree with Donnie Darko 100%

Michael Mann is notorious for editing his films whenever they are released on a new home video format. I have LOTM on BD but not seen it yet. Aware that there are two other cuts on DVD.

Dances with Wolves though, worth mentioning that the extended edition is not a directors cut. Kevin Costner stated that in the early 90's as that cut was prepared by the studio for it's TV premiere IIRC. Will fish out the article but he wasn't happy with it back then.

*edit* found it http://thisorthatedition.com/dances-with-wolves-1990/
 
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Ooooohh good conversation subject! Thank you!

Agree with Donnie Darko 100%

Michael Mann is notorious for editing his films whenever they are released on a new home video format. I have LOTM on BD but not seen it yet. Aware that there are two other cuts on DVD.

Dances with Wolves though, worth mentioning that the extended edition is not a directors cut. Kevin Costner stated that in the early 90's as that cut was prepared by the studio for it's TV premiere IIRC. Will fish out the article but he wasn't happy with it back then
Good point (and I did know that). Hence EXTENDED CUT instead of DIRECTOR's CUT titling used!
Don't get me wrong, I like extended cuts and directors cuts to see what their vision was - but sometimes they aren't great. I like that they exist, as long as the Theatrical cut is readily available.
One of the most interesting cuts is CINEMA PARADISO. The Weinstein brothers made Tornadore cut it for U.S. release...and made it a better film! (This is the exception, not the rule!). The Euro DC is definitely not as good.
Weird, eh? Maybe sometimes (but not always), making directors trim the fat is a good thing.
Oh and - Apocalypse Now Redux? Dear god! That plantation scene is NOT a good addition at 45 minutes!!
Interesting, but pointless.
 
Good point (and I did know that). Hence EXTENDED CUT instead of DIRECTOR's CUT titling used!
Don't get me wrong, I like extended cuts and directors cuts to see what their vision was - but sometimes they aren't great. I like that they exist, as long as the Theatrical cut is readily available.
One of the most interesting cuts is CINEMA PARADISO. The Weinstein brothers made Tornadore cut it for U.S. release...and made it a better film! (This is the exception, not the rule!). The Euro DC is definitely not as good.
Weird, eh? Maybe sometimes (but not always), making directors trim the fat is a good thing.
Oh and - Apocalypse Now Redux? Dear god! That plantation scene is NOT a good addition at 45 minutes!!
Interesting, but pointless.

It's a hobby of mine. I hunt down the rare extended versions that don't get official releases as well. Studios jumped on the bandwagon a while back and started throwing deleted scenes in without approval. Even Ridley Scott stated on the Alien DC intro that it isn't actually a DC, it's just an alternate version for the fans but it was marketed as a directors cut. I sometimes have to do a bit of research into what I'm watching.

And totally agree with Apocalypse Now!

If Paramount included both cuts on the BD it wouldn't be a problem lol
 
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We are film fans on this forum (myself being one of the biggest) just in case you hadn't noticed. And name examples of directors cut that ruin the pace? I'm intrigued!

my perception of steelbook collectors a lot of the time is that they arent necessarily film fans. since they buy films just to have them on a shelf, unopened. or, buy films regardless if they are good or not, its not about the film but about the steel. or, not about the film or the steel, just its resell value, or rarity. Or, just Marvel/comic fans, since those are the films which a lot of people seem to get excited about (to me the films are meh) while the vast majority of other films, which are widely accepted to be classics, go unsold and without fanfare.

of course not all steelbook collectors are like that, but i see it a lot.

''name examples of directors cut that ruin the pace''

Practically all of them. Often, when you see the directors cut, you realise why the studio edited them.
 
As I understand it the director originally wanted the comic book insert panels, and he has said so often enough over the years, but for various reasons (mentioned in my post above) it was just not possible for him to do it until the re-mastered DVD with 5.1 Dolby Surround mix replacing the Mono for the ultimate Director's Cut prepared and finally released in 2005 to reflect the way he wanted his film to look.

Comparisons of the two cuts have been made by Movie-Censorship.com and as they say:-
"Nothing relevant to the story has been changed, removed or added. Some of the changeovers, however, have been redesigned in comic form and the film now features a new introduction from Hill himself (a part Hill wanted Orson Welles for !) telling of a group of Greek soldiers escaping from the Persian kingdom.
The Director's Cut runs 76 seconds longer than the Theatrical Version."

. . . and this from IGN:-
"More controversial is the use of a comic book metaphor to bridge scene transitions. The picture freezes and turns into an illustrated panel that then moves across the page to the drawing of the start of the next scene. It's a pretty cool effect that reinforces Hill's vision of the movie being a live-action comic book."


Another view can be seen here from A.V. Club which is more in tune with the zeitgeist:-
"Sometimes, bad or unnecessary director’s cuts result from films being victims of their own success. Had Rock Star Games, the innovative, controversial creators of the Grand Theft Auto series, not decided to give Walter Hill’s 1979 cult classic The Warriors the GTA treatment, there would have been no call for an “Ultimate Director’s Cut.” But as a tie-in to the video game release Hill acquiesced to tinker with his comic-book vision of New York City gangs by making the “comic-book” part unnecessarily explicit. This 2007 DVD-only edition features animated segues that color over footage, and sets them within a cutesy graphic context that disrupts the pacing and insults the audience by underlining the film’s cartoonish hyperbole—as if people would otherwise mistake a gang in baseball gear and clown makeup for docu-realism."


The problem is that it can be explained a million ways to Christmas and kingdom come, but it will never justify the disruption to the flow of the film caused by the the initial voice over, which is totally unnecessary, and the comic book add-ons.
In short it is unjustified and the theatrical cut is the definitive cut for the vast majority of people who saw the film before the tinkering began.

For me, it ranks alongside the American version of Get Carter (1971) with the awful dubbing, and the equally awful American version of Mad Max (1979) with yet more dreadful dubbing.

All of which brings one back to the ever faithful maxim: "If it 'ain't broke, don't fix it."
I rest my case M'lud. :naughty:
 
Often, when you see the directors cut, you realise why the studio edited them.
Not always. The LOTRs were ALWAYS meant to be the long versions. The theatrical editions were a compromise.
James Cameron's THE ABYSS DC is MUCH better for fleshing out characters, not just the fantastic ending that was ALWAYS supposed to be there. (They could not finish the special-effects in time for the release date).
And, remember some Director's cuts are shorter, and REMOVE things that were studio-imposed, or regarded later as making the narrative "flabby". You have to judge them on a case by case basis.
 
The problem is that it can be explained a million ways to Christmas and kingdom come, but it will never justify the disruption to the flow of the film caused by the the initial voice over, which is totally unnecessary, and the comic book add-ons.
In short it is unjustified and the theatrical cut is the definitive cut for the vast majority of people who saw the film before the tinkering began.

For me, it ranks alongside the American version of Get Carter (1971) with the awful dubbing, and the equally awful American version of Mad Max (1979) with yet more dreadful dubbing.

All of which brings one back to the ever faithful maxim: "If it 'ain't broke, don't fix it."
I rest my case M'lud. :naughty:
Yikes. I forgot about the dubbed Mad Max!:wow:
 
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Dude, your personal taste may coincide with that of many others but the simple fact remains that the film is exactly how the director wanted HIS film to be in the first place.

On the one hand even though the film opened well with crowds queuing around the block to see it (and it was indeed the numero uno film of that opening week-end with Ronald Reagan as a fan) it wasn't long before the controversy started and the film was accused of encouraging gang behaviour after several violent incidents between rival gang members in the audience and there were reports of copycat behavior with gangs getting together in Los Angeles and in other major cities where the film was being shown.

On the other hand you had other people protesting trying to get the film banned.

The controversy didn't end there and the studio ended up having had to pay big bucks for extra security in all the cinemas where the film was being shown after several were trashed by members of the audience rioting, shouting and screaming at the screen, tearing up seats etc. before the film was even over.

. . . and it was reported at the time that despite Paramount's best efforts they were not able to:-
"stem the violence that was breaking out across the country as a result of the movie’s release and 3 people were allegedly killed as a result of the violence. A kid was killed outside a theatre in Oxnard, California, a week after the film opened; a second was killed in a drive-in theatre in Palm Springs and the third was a Boston high school student who was supposedly killed by two men in a subway station after they had seen the film."

. . . and according to Trey Taylor of "Dazed":-
"ONCE THE FILM OPENED, THEATRES WERE GIVEN AN OPTION TO PULL OUT OF SCREENING THE FILM DUE TO A SHOOTING
Although it was rolled out in theatres across America and easily made back its paltry production budget, it was quickly spoiled by a tragic incident that took place in Palm Springs. Members of the Blue Coats, an African-American gang, took on members of a white gang, The Family. On Monday, February 12, 1979, a 19-year-old boy and member of The Family was fatally shot at a drive-in showing of the film. That same night, an 18-year-old bled out after being stabbed in a movie theater 165 miles away in Oxnard. As a result, Paramount gave theatre chains an out, saying they wouldn’t take it to court if the theatres opted not to show the film."


Paramount / the producers tried to turn down the temperature by doctoring the posters for the film by removing part of the tagline:-
"These are the armies of the night. They are 100,000 strong. They outnumber the cops five to one. They could run New York City" became . . .
BEFORE.....................................................................................................................................AFTER



. . . and then by changing other posters almost completely by removing the several tough looking gang members and leaving a white background instead.

As can be imagined the situation soon became untenable with a film originally designed by the director to be set "SOMETIME IN THE FUTURE" but which had inspired and brought home painfully real present day (1979) violence to the streets of America with the result that :-
"Paramount had no choice but to drop the advertising of the film and then later pull it from cinemas preventing it from being the major commercial blockbuster that it was shaping up to be. The film by this point had grossed a sizeable $22.5m. Andrew Laszlo and other members of the crew commented that they would not have made the film if they had known about the violence it incited."
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Not difficult to understand Walter Hill's desire to distance himself from such events and to let it be known that his vision for his film was not what was shown in cinemas - his vision being more fantastical, even comic book in nature, with the ridiculous, elaborate, unrealistic and impractical costumes that any self-respecting gang member wouldn't be seen dead in - i.e. you have one gang (the Baseball Furies) wearing make up as if they were members of the glam rock group Kiss and another (the Punks) wearing roller skates . . . but I suppose if they get into a fight they can make a quick getaway on their skates (LOL).
I mean to say !
 
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Very nice Steelbook, I hope Zavvi and Paramount make new Steelbooks for Watchmen, The Untouchables, Saving Private Ryan, Rango, Shooter, Black Rain and Coming to America.