Mission Impossible - The Ultimate Collection (Blu-ray SteelBook) (Zavvi Exclusive) [UK]

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Release date: December 7, 2015
Purchase link: Zavvi
Price: £39.99
Notes: Limited to 2000 copies. Not a Jumbo, and no Mission Impossible on the spine

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I'll never know how these things get through quality control.

Blemishes, streaks, individual issues sure. You're dealing with thousands of the same product and are never going to notice everything, but a gap where the title should be? Why did no one at Paramount pick this up and get it sorted? Same with LionsGate and Mockingjay Part 1.

You will probably find that there will be little to no quality control. They won't meticulously check every single product.
 
You will probably find that there will be little to no quality control. They won't meticulously check every single product.

I appreciate that, that's why I said that individual steelbooks could have issues, like say, a misaligned spine (cut too high/low, too much to the left/right).

But, like in the case of Mockingjay Part 1, it's a wonder no one at any stage noticed that the titles were missing on the spines. I could understand Scanavo not saying anything as spines without titles are a lot more common than they used to be, but surely someone somewhere gets to see a finalized product before the whole run is then signed off. In this case though, I wouldn't be surprised if the error was more at the manufacturing end rather than the design end.

I don't blame Zavvi for sending it out 'as is' (assuming anyone even noticed), the only thing they could do is withdraw it from sale. Better to send it out, and charge back Paramount (or Technicolor) for any costs incurred. Zavvi wont lose out personally.
 
did anyone contact zavvi about the missing title on the spine?

i'm just curious to hear what they had to say about it :D

Zavvi reply most likely will be to point out they have artwork subject to change on the website
They list this on most steelbook listings especially pre order releases
It's under the buy now on most listings

The mock up used on websites be it Zavvi/Amazon Italy etc are only mock up not actual images of a release a lot do end up close to matching the website mock up but are not actual product image
Sometime the actual release is different to what is shown on a mock up most times with Steelbooks especially it's not known what the actual Steelbook looks for sure until someone gets delivery and then when someone post images we then know

This Steelbook is sold by Amazon Italy and Zavvi UK and other retailers across Europe and Asia
They all are the same Steelbook and have the same spine

The only ones who can answer if the spine is on purpose or a mistake is Paramount UK/Europe/Asia

Paramount USA is a different Steelbook that one is a jumbo and a different release

It could be on purpose the spine not have mission impossible or a mistake by scanavo or paramount sending the wrong details to scanavo
They will be the ones who need to be asked
It's a trade wide release in different countries Zavvi just happen to have UK exclusive of this
Zavvi would have had no input on the design of the Steelbook and only would have seen it when delivered by paramount distributors

Zavvi are covered by having artwork subject to change on the listing on the website

It's not the first or last time a retailer listing will have details missing or not shown to what the actual release itself looks like
They cover themselves by having artwork subject to change

The Steelbook should of had the title on the spine or paramount let the retailers know if they changed the design and provided updated images so customers would know of the change but that's rare that happens
Arrow Video do let all retailers know if a release has a design change but not all companies do this but in my opinion they should do so especially if it's on purpose
 
You will probably find that there will be little to no quality control. They won't meticulously check every single product.

In this case, I suspect they won't have to 'check every item'. I suspect they just needed to open a shipping container.
 
Zavvi reply most likely will be to point out they have artwork subject to change on the website
They list this on most steelbook listings especially pre order releases
It's under the buy now on most listings

The mock up used on websites be it Zavvi/Amazon Italy etc are only mock up not actual images of a release a lot do end up close to matching the website mock up but are not actual product image
Sometime the actual release is different to what is shown on a mock up most times with Steelbooks especially it's not known what the actual Steelbook looks for sure until someone gets delivery and then when someone post images we then know

This Steelbook is sold by Amazon Italy and Zavvi UK and other retailers across Europe and Asia
They all are the same Steelbook and have the same spine

The only ones who can answer if the spine is on purpose or a mistake is Paramount UK/Europe/Asia

Paramount USA is a different Steelbook that one is a jumbo and a different release

It could be on purpose the spine not have mission impossible or a mistake by scanavo or paramount sending the wrong details to scanavo
They will be the ones who need to be asked
It's a trade wide release in different countries Zavvi just happen to have UK exclusive of this
Zavvi would have had no input on the design of the Steelbook and only would have seen it when delivered by paramount distributors

Zavvi are covered by having artwork subject to change on the listing on the website

It's not the first or last time a retailer listing will have details missing or not shown to what the actual release itself looks like
They cover themselves by having artwork subject to change

The Steelbook should of had the title on the spine or paramount let the retailers know if they changed the design and provided updated images so customers would know of the change but that's rare that happens
Arrow Video do let all retailers know if a release has a design change but not all companies do this but in my opinion they should do so especially if it's on purpose

Hmmm. Whether they 'cover themselves' by having 'artwork subject to change' on the website is a matter of opinion. The law doesn't see it that way. Their liability is fixed until the statutory limitations come into effect. They are not bricks and mortar, they are e-tailing and are bound by distance selling regulations. They are selling, by precedent, an expressly aesthetic product at a premium price. If they decided to make the steelbook out of wax they will not be entitled to keep selling it as something other than it is. At present, they are selling product which DOES NOT match the artwork with which they are promoting the product. They don't have a defence for doing so. The 'defence' for the 'subject to change' caveat may well apply for 'pre-orders' BECAUSE pre-ordering this product is so artwork-dependent. People are in effect buying the packaging AS a product. Surely no steelbook buyer is naively believing that these are the only available versions of these films and they have no choices?

Placing the caveat does not in any way exempt Zavvi from responsibility for sending out product which is altered from the anticipated design. These titles came into stock days, perhaps a week before they were released to shipment, which was ample time to run off a complaint to Paramount, a delay on shipping or even an email to customers offering the opportunity to cancel before the order was processed.

Way to go, though, making it sound like the 'mock up' design and the 'final' design of the packaging are two utterly remote processes, with the former churned out by an art student and the latter representing the laying on of hands of a professional. They are one and the same thing, and there was always a 95% chance that the artwork would be run with. Removing the title of the film was a profound design change to make, not a marginal one. If it happened, it would have required an explanation as to why this particular film collection needed to be so mysterious as to be anonymous on a shelf.

The art was designed professionally, it was issued, not as a mock-up, but as the anticipated final art on the product, having already passed numerous approval green lights, and only an executive change would have caused it to be altered. Or the dropping of a ball-ock.

It doesn't matter whose fault it is. It doesn't matter how many were produced, in how many territories and which retailers are selling them. In this case there is only one company with any liability for whatever this is… Zavvi. They are the vendor. They undertook a contract of sale, and any customer who is not happy with this package is entitled to a full and complete refund under distance selling regulation and statutory consumer rights, and further, Zavvi are treading dangerous ground in respect of consumer law, because they are STILL advertising the package using the wrong artwork, with no notice or caveat that the product looks significantly different on a library shelf viewing it's display edge, than buyers will anticipate from seeing the artwork on display. They have no excuse for this - as you already said, they display the 'mock up' art for pre-orders, and since we're past pre-orders and into 'stock in hand', the 'mock ups' are no longer valid, the art is no longer subject to change, in fact it HAS been changed but no one is decent enough to notify customers about it.

It isn't for me, the next guy or God's uncle to go and ask Paramount if this is deliberate or accidental, or Scanavo whether they made a mistake. The responsibility for that always lies with the vendor, the person doing the selling. They take my money. Paramount takes theirs. They aren't agents, they are retailers. They can choose not to chase this up with Paramount. But they have no entitlement to keeping anyone's money and are obliged in law to either provide an accomplished product, free of defects, or to arrange the return of their erroneous stock and provide full refunds. Pre-order or not, the customer has the right to see the product he is purchasing, or to be persuaded with the assurance of accuracy, especially when the product is an aesthetically-focused premium item. Just as I would walk into a store, see this, and walk out without buying it; just as some users here have stated that having found out about the error they have no intention to buy until they see a fixed specimen on the shelves, so I also have the right to informed choice.

I'll repeat. Zavvi know about the error, MUST have known about it since the item came in stock, and are STILL selling the item using false artwork and making no reference that collectors may be disappointed or should be aware of a problem.

At every level, it is a choice. In every business there is the opportunity for a QA chain of accountability. There was a signing off process with the cover design. There was a proofing and signing off process at Scanavo. There was a QA at Scanavo. There should be QA at distribution and the first people to see product should have been Paramount. There should be QA and visual proofing at the retail level. Whether they succeeded or not is beside the point. The fact that so many stages and processes across so many service providers managed to miss this is fairly critical to it not happening again.

There is a relatively low-cost solution to the problem - the reissue and replacement of all the spine art. That aside, however, as a consumer I still have the choice of whether I want to pay £40 for a premium-priced purely aesthetic 'collectors item' or 'limited edition' which I then have to go to the trouble of communicating with its distributor over, in order to have a one-shot attempt at actually fixing it to look like it does in their advertising art, by myself because they eff-ed up their own product and couldn't be troubled to make the product good.

If you go to buy a new car and you look at the brochure and pick the model out because you like the look of it, and when it turns up your Mercedes doesn't have the marque on the front, and a blank plate in the middle of the steering wheel, no model numbers on the back, will you happily accept that Mercedes has changed the design because they felt like it, or that they made a mistake, and accept that it isn't the dealer's fault and they're perfectly entitled to keep your money, and you'll give Mercedes a bit of a pester to see if they can do anything?
 
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Aaaaand THAT's how you make sure things are right between you and your customers...
 
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Also now received from Zavvi, no discussion of the issue, no explanation, no reference to it, in fact - but a returns form has been issued with a postage paid return via CollectPlus along with the address of my nearest CollectPlus Drop Off Point.
 
This just gets worse!!! o_O NO 'Mission Impossible' on the spine and NO inside artwork!!! EEK! A bullet well and truly dodged on this occasion for me... :angel:

Feel for those who are not happy and stung with this release :(

I know what you mean. There's a lot not to like on this release. For the price it should be so much more and I can see why people are annoyed by it.

For me it's not that bad a steel. I only paid £30 (voucher + code) so it works out at £6 per disc. It saves me the space of having 5 steels on my shelf. Plus, I've been collecting for a while so I've much worse steels in my collection with printed backs and no inside artwork (early DE steels anyone? Or Play's Rise of the Planet of the Apes?). The spot glossing on the cover and the debossed title are pretty nice.
 
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I don't think that many are 'happy' with it, in the true sense. But some are accepting it for what it is.

It seems Zavvi will offer a full refund and free return shipping on this title, which is really all you can ask for. It doesn't match the artwork advertised so you're essentially entitled to a refund. You can't honestly expect their warehouse staff know what the item should look like, or indeed care. They wouldn't say anything I imagine, and even if they did I doubt any company would do anything about it 'til customers complain (which is what Amazon.it have done - remember, they sent theirs out too). The caveat of 'artwork subject to change' does cover them however, and even though it's now out it's obvious the advertised image wont change. I doubt there's a 'correct' image to use (short of taking a photo of the product) as clearly (from the placement of 'the ultimate collection') the missing 'Mission: Impossible' is a mistake, not a design choice.

It's annoying when the wrong images are used, but it is common and there are still tonnes on Amazon, Zavvi, HMV and so on that are wrong even years after release, especially where the finished product has 3D printed on it but the mock-up doesn't. That said, in the past there were images showing a blue banner on the steelbook which turned out not to have them, no one complained about that. Or ones that had 3D on the mock-up but in reality didn't.

There's also cases where items did look like the actual mock-up, where it was pictured with no title on the spine but we assumed the finished version would have one (The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1), because earlier installments had featured it.

Either way, in an ideal world these things wouldn't happen.
 
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did anyone contact zavvi about the missing title on the spine?

i'm just curious to hear what they had to say about it :D
Yes, but they want to see a pic. They obviously can't envisage what I mean when I said that the words "Mission Impossible" were missing from the spine versus the mockup on their website! Really can't believe the low intelligence factor of their so-called "Customer Services"!