Who Framed Roger Rabbit (4K+2D Blu-ray SteelBook) (Cine-Museum Art #?) [Italy]

[paulboland]

Release date: TBA
Purchase link: TBA
Price: TBA
Note: Print run: Box Set 300 - Lenti 200 - Full Slip 200

 

[Robles]

real classy to go insult members here..

same with going here, promoting your company here until it can stands on it own and then turn your back once youre getting the backlash you truly deserve for all the borderline shady stuff CMs been doing... people are rightfully worried that you just run off with their preorder money eventually after in some cases waiting for far over a year without any news and you have the insolence to come here and cry about negative feedback and go on to insult members

hope they ban you here

 

[leelee17]

I hope peoples will understand that rude words can hurt people, even if they are retailers.

At the end of the day, this is what it boils down to...
Putting yourself out there leaves you open to both positive and negative attention. There's always going to be people who love what you do, people who are indifferent and people who don't like and, unfortunately, retailers are never going to please everyone
Do I think Cinemuseum have made some questionable choices? Yes, definitely in terms of choice of artwork and, in this case, a choice of movie to put so much effort into.
Unfortunately you can't please all of the people all of the time and sometimes you have to accept this, take the rough with the smooth and take the negative comments on the chin.
Also, if negativity isn't your thing, avoid forums that encourage honest opinions with a view to influencing the future choices that retailers make in terms of artwork choices and movie choices...

 

[Jamon-Jamon]

I thought a forum was a place to share opinions. And this must be done for good and for bad, of course, always with respect. And, to my eyes, this is the case in Hi-Def Ninja forum, with participants and, important, administrators watching for it (and doing it for good). Criticism is part of life and it is part of every business. Compliments are always very welcome, but criticism should be taken as something to discuss if you do not share it or -if it is right- the starting point for improvement.

 

[Nova]

I grew up to this saying and some people didn't and it shows....

 

[Shark]

lol the gall of this company. Imagine stealing art and going a year (or is it years?) without fulfilling orders for people when you've taken money from them and then claiming it is actually the mean comments (aka truthful criticism) from forum members that are the real problem.

Can't wait to see what the C-M attack dog alt account on here replies to me for writing this.

I agonized over getting that Catwoman OC or not. Bullet. Dodged.

 

[R4FFO]

I have had a couple of CM orders come through (The Joker OC and Birds of Prey) both are fantastic editions and a credit to the overall quality of CM.

I am waiting for Goonies and Batman/Batman Returns (the latter I paid for like many others (a long time ago))

Looking forward to receiving them

I know that COVID has caused many delays for all retailers (HDZeta, Filmarena etc) but communication is key to customer support.

When was the last update on the progress for Batman/Batman Returns??

Instead of trying to cancel anyone who criticises fairly… how about you take into account the rightly deserved negative feedback and make the incremental improvements to your business?

Again it’s not the quality of the products but the customer support that needs to be improved (I understand the delays due to the current pandemic)

Maybe look into altering payment options for placed orders to… a deposit (to cover costs) instead of full payment and once manufacturing is completed and orders are ready to be shipped then request final payment.

And regular updates would be appreciated

 

[ddilts399]

yeah so whatever, when is the group buy dropping

 

[BluSteel2012]

yeah so whatever, when is the group buy dropping

No GB's for CM here any more I think...

 

[nekromantik]

Great artwork on Full Slip...wish it was Manta release instead of CM.
My first and last CM was Terrifier. That eventually came out and I got it and was not over a year in delays but after last 12 months I have warned off this.

 

[Mokum]

yeah so whatever, when is the group buy dropping

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[Robles]

There won’t be any. Maybe the topic will be revisited when CM operations are streamlined. You can order direct if you like.

yeah so whatever, when is the group buy dropping

IRON MAN posted earlier in the thread that there isn't going to be one

 

[tono06]

Great artwork on Full Slip...wish it was Manta release instead of CM.
My first and last CM was Terrifier. That eventually came out and I got it and was not over a year in delays but after last 12 months I have warned off this.

Same here!

 

[YellowCake]

@Wreck right here....

 

[Chemartin_1]

I thought a forum was a place to share opinions. And this must be done for good and for bad, of course, always with respect.
And, to my eyes, this is the case in Hi-Def Ninja forum, with participants and, important, administrators watching for it (and doing it for good).
Criticism is part of life and it is part of every business.
Compliments are always very welcome, but criticism should be taken as something to discuss if you do not share it or -if it is right- the starting point for improvement.

Agreed 100%
Couldn't say better.

The problem here is, when you expose an opinion here (even reasoning), there are plenty of users to laugh at you (or talk in meme's language) as a "all-in-one" going against one.
That people that full the thread with non-sense comments, saying to others to shut up and go on. It's a bit... hypocrite.
Now, people agree that CM are just doing bad. Indeed, they are. It has to be said.
But share an opinion is not saying the same what others have said. It is to expose with nuances an opinion similar / different from what others have said.

I truly believe there are more members than the ones who usually comment all the threads, to keep the activity and the integrity of the forum with some "humor".
It's not a problem when it is known than this community has 12 members...
But, where are the rest? Silenced, self-conscious, or banned, for expose an opinion.
Are there only 12 collectors (for saying a number), including admins or mods? I know for sure there are many more.
But they are not free to show up without taking the "beat some sense" of a community of 12 members, well-united, against one opinion.

Like thinking and saying that GB's are taking spots of others (who could have always go direct in the past).
GB admins takes as most spots as they can to "sold-out" editions. So fast, and with priority.
And they can justify later "if you don't go through GB, you will have troubles to secure a copy".
Better pay the fee (benefit for someone) for a copy, yes.
But you can not go direct as we usually did, but not anymore thanks to GB.
And, of course, random copies are offered here (overpriced) or put on sale (or to bid among some "collectors" who always do the same) in eBay.

So saying now that criticism is part of life, the same criticism that now CM deserves, is not "well-deserved" when users start to expose or talk about Hi def Ninja.
They end up banned, without disrespecting anyone, just stating an opinion.

 

[Wreck]

I kindly ask to Hi def ninjas forum to stop sharing Cine-Museum releases and informations.
I'm sorry for the many silent collectors who appreciate our work in spite of the waiting times, but I don't want to give any reason to haters and rude people to comment on what we do with a lot of sacrifices.
I have already requested in the past to suspend publications and Group Buy on this forum, I hope that all references to Cine-Museum will be eliminated.

all collectors who want information can contact our shop directly via email: [email protected]

Thanks to Hi def admins for understanding.

You have never requested this with me or Andy. Instead both Aniv and I stopped asking you for group buys. If anything you’re scared to be messing with a Disney title with art not technically officially approved no matter what you say. If people want to believe the only retailer in the world who can’t release anything even in the same year can magically get any art approved by a studio not some local Italian distributor then let them be naive. I’m happy you have the balls to release it and that you live in a Country in which they aren’t seeking out legal ramifications, but we will continue to post what we want here as you are not the IP rights owner to anything you produce and we’re simply sharing public information.

I like your releases, but I can’t help support a Company knowing full well they will take members money in a long “goFundme” scheme only to wait years because the funds are “allegedly” being used to produce prior owed releases because one either pissed away money long ago or never had access to capital. This is simply my speculation which for years now has never been proven wrong.

From a fan perspective and lover of media if I want your releases I’ll simply buy them on eBay when already released even if it costs me $50-100 more. No drama, no headaches, no waiting and no chance of lost money. That doesn’t help support you making new titles, but that is what you have forced your consumers to do … and if it’s something I can live without then I do just that simply because I don’t want to support in any which way your current business model because one day it’s guaranteed a bunch of people will get screwed. I’ve seen this “movie” before.

Quit worrying about what forums are saying about your releases. Art isn’t the problem so you don’t need that feedback. Get movies released and into the hands of paying customers in a timely manner. You should be in grind mode if you are legit. Every package out the door is a F U to your haters. Can that not inspire you?

“The reason why I can, is because someone told me I can’t”

Put that on your wall…

Wreck

 

[tommyh84]

You have never requested this with me or Andy. Instead both Aniv and I stopped asking you for group buys. If anything you’re scared to be messing with a Disney title with art not technically officially approved no matter what you say. If people want to believe the only retailer in the world who can’t release anything even in the same year can magically get any art approved by a studio not some local Italian distributor then let them be naive. I’m happy you have the balls to release it and that you live in a Country in which they aren’t seeking out legal ramifications, but we will continue to post what we want here as you are not the IP rights owner to anything you produce and we’re simply sharing public information.

I like your releases, but I can’t help support a Company knowing full well they will take members money in a long “goFundme” scheme only to wait years because the funds are “allegedly” being used to produce prior owed releases because one either pissed away money long ago or never had access to capital. This is simply my speculation which for years now has never been proven wrong.

From a fan perspective and lover of media if I want your releases I’ll simply buy them on eBay when already released even if it costs me $50-100 more. No drama, no headaches, no waiting and no chance of lost money. That doesn’t help support you making new titles, but that is what you have forced your consumers to do … and if it’s something I can live without then I do just that simply because I don’t want to support in any which way your current business model because one day it’s guaranteed a bunch of people will get screwed. I’ve seen this “movie” before.

Quit worrying about what forums are saying about your releases. Art isn’t the problem so you don’t need that feedback. Get movies released and into the hands of paying customers in a timely manner. You should be in grind mode if you are legit. Every package out the door is a F U to your haters. Can that not inspire you?

“The reason why I can, is because someone told me I can’t”

Put that on your wall…

Wreck

 

[Wreck]

Agreed 100%
Couldn't say better.

The problem here is, when you expose an opinion here (even reasoning), there are plenty of users to laugh at you (or talk in meme's language) as a "all-in-one" going against one.
That people that full the thread with non-sense comments, saying to others to shut up and go on. It's a bit... hypocrite.
Now, people agree that CM are just doing bad. Indeed, they are. It has to be said.
But share an opinion is not saying the same what others have said. It is to expose with nuances an opinion similar / different from what others have said.

I truly believe there are more members than the ones who usually comment all the threads, to keep the activity and the integrity of the forum with some "humor".
It's not a problem when it is known than this community has 12 members...
But, where are the rest? Silenced, self-conscious, or banned, for expose an opinion.
Are there only 12 collectors (for saying a number), including admins or mods? I know for sure there are many more.
But they are not free to show up without taking the "beat some sense" of a community of 12 members, well-united, against one opinion.

Like thinking and saying that GB's are taking spots of others (who could have always go direct in the past).
GB admins takes as most spots as they can to "sold-out" editions. So fast, and with priority.
And they can justify later "if you don't go through GB, you will have troubles to secure a copy".
Better pay the fee (benefit for someone) for a copy, yes.
But you can not go direct as we usually did, but not anymore thanks to GB.
And, of course, random copies are offered here (overpriced) or put on sale (or to bid among some "collectors" who always do the same) in eBay.

So saying now that criticism is part of life, the same criticism that now CM deserves, is not "well-deserved" when users start to expose or talk about Hi def Ninja.
They end up banned, without disrespecting anyone, just stating an opinion.

Im on record many times stating if you can go direct then go direct and have said it many times even with CM releases.

Hdn gbs have not taken away from CM qty as they haven’t happened here in a very long time.

Lastly we allow voices to share their opinions here way more then other places without fear of being banned so I call malarkey on that part from your post. If you have examples of people being banned for wrong reasons you can tag me and alert me at any time for an impartial review. However we don’t ban many accounts at HDN as it is. Besides spammers it’s far and few between

I do get the gist of what you are saying tho how tons of memes etc can derail or change the course of what one is trying to otherwise convey in regards to criticism.

 

[Loony_Tic]

Agreed 100%
Couldn't say better.

The problem here is, when you expose an opinion here (even reasoning), there are plenty of users to laugh at you (or talk in meme's language) as a "all-in-one" going against one.
That people that full the thread with non-sense comments, saying to others to shut up and go on. It's a bit... hypocrite.
Now, people agree that CM are just doing bad. Indeed, they are. It has to be said.
But share an opinion is not saying the same what others have said. It is to expose with nuances an opinion similar / different from what others have said.

I truly believe there are more members than the ones who usually comment all the threads, to keep the activity and the integrity of the forum with some "humor".
It's not a problem when it is known than this community has 12 members...
But, where are the rest? Silenced, self-conscious, or banned, for expose an opinion.
Are there only 12 collectors (for saying a number), including admins or mods? I know for sure there are many more.
But they are not free to show up without taking the "beat some sense" of a community of 12 members, well-united, against one opinion.

Like thinking and saying that GB's are taking spots of others (who could have always go direct in the past).
GB admins takes as most spots as they can to "sold-out" editions. So fast, and with priority.
And they can justify later "if you don't go through GB, you will have troubles to secure a copy".
Better pay the fee (benefit for someone) for a copy, yes.
But you can not go direct as we usually did, but not anymore thanks to GB.
And, of course, random copies are offered here (overpriced) or put on sale (or to bid among some "collectors" who always do the same) in eBay.

So saying now that criticism is part of life, the same criticism that now CM deserves, is not "well-deserved" when users start to expose or talk about Hi def Ninja.
They end up banned, without disrespecting anyone, just stating an opinion.

I'm a relatively new member (having said that I've just looked and I've been a member for nearly two years!?) to these forums and while I'm on the site multiple times a days and find it an invaluable source of information I generally just lurk in the background and only comment when I feel I've got something useful to add to the discussion. However this isn't because I've been silenced or feel self-conscious (or banned because I've got an opinion that doesn't agree with the majority). It's because I choose to operate that way. A lot of people are the same, some only come here to watch from the side-lines and don't actively get involved with the banter and discussions at all, again it's all through personal choice not because deep down they want to be more involved but are too frightened to take that step.

Yes there is core group of users that have been here for a long time and have made friends, write the majority of the comments and indulge in plenty of banter (which I for one enjoy reading for the most part - some of it is genuinely funny even to someone who isn't part of it). However that isn't exclusive to these forums - it happens whenever you have something that been around a while (social media groups are a prime example). A good comparison is if this were a pub and you get a group of regulars who go there for a drink every Saturday night they're invariably going to know one and other and have formed friendships, to a newcomer that can be intimidating but if they show their face often enough (and don't behave like idiots) they'll soon be accepted and be part of the regular crowd.

I've witnessed the behaviour you describe as "beat some sense" where the majority unite against some one (I think I remember it happening to you before) but from what I can tell it's when everyone rallies around one of the core who is getting grief - which again is bound to happen...you defend your mates. At that point it's best to shrug it off with good humour rather than carry on pushing your point...which is only going to cause more aggravation and often degenerate into huge stream of memes and gifs.

Anyway what I'm trying to get at is that I personally I don't see this forum as a hostile or "closed off" place and I feel welcome to share my opinions as much or as little as I want to without fear of being beaten into submission or banned.

In terms of Cinemuseum...their products are awesome...but their customer service and communication is crap, if they improved that (and delivered products in a timely fashion) they'd be up there with the other premium retailers.

 

[nafosb]

I think that at this point anyone who pre orders CM products is an enabler of the very problem extant. It's everyone's right to do so but you are an enabler.

 

[Lenny Nero]

I've only bought direct a couple of times, a Pet Sematary preorder (preorder end of May '19, shipped out 1st of November, same year, just in case, you know ) and in-stock items, digibooks of Johnny Mnemonic and The Mask.
I'd wanted to buy Casino as well, but since they didn't post art of what's inside, I chose EverythingBlu release. So there's one constructive suggestion - please show as much as possible, what's on the art cards, photo cards, booklet cover, a few pages inside that booklet, character cards, etc. You can reveal them one by one, make a free ad campaign out of it. Look at those hacks at Titans of Cult - churning out talentless, ass-ugly stuff, empty plastic boxes, yet squeeze out of their cheap pins or a poster everything on social media.

Second suggestion would be to inform of every step and/or delay. Like 'submitted such and such art for approval; this and that got delayed because of...; this wasn't approved by big bad studio; got these printed, look how pretty... - ALL of that would be:
1) interesting to fans;
2) informative and calming;
3) again free advertisement, because each new post will get attention and be discussed.


On the particular subject of this release - I don't think it's a waste of time or their efforts, it's one of my childhood favorites, along with Aliens, Robocop, I Come in Peace, and Critters 1-2 (yeah, I had no parental guidance or restrictions of any kind ), I don't yet have it in UHD, and the official steelbook is ugly, so some 'dressing up' is very much needed.
I like the Full Slip art, as am tired of the 'classic' one on the Lenticular, so would buy that, if got the chance! The box is very nice too.