Black Panther (3D+2D Blu-ray SteelBook) (Blufans Exclusive #48) [China]

[pbtour4il]

Release date: Late September 2018 (TBC)
Price: TBA
Note: The special empty box is available only when you buy Box set and 1/4 Slip together.
Group buy: One Click + 1/4 slip COMPLETE PACKAGE
ONE CLICK - DOUBLE LENTICULAR - SINGLE LENTICULAR - FULL SLIP - QUARTER SLIP (Storage box NOT included)

Important Group Buy update

Spoiler

Official update for all group buy participants -

The licensing agreement for Black Panther, for unknown reasons, still has not been resolved and because of this Infinity War will now be being released first (roughly early December time). The licensing agreement for Black Panther is looking to be completed around November time but because of the other releases (infinity War, Greatest Showman, Three Billboards), Black Panther will not ship until January 2019 at the earliest.

Infinity War will ship with the same editions (1/4 slip + Box, One Click, DL, SL and full slip)

Group Buy members, we have a couple of options for you -

1. Transfer
Your Black Panther request will automatically be transferred to the same edition to that of Avengers: Infinity War. You will then be guaranteed a spot for Black Panther, which will be charged for again later on in the year (or potentially January 2019)

2. Refund
You can cancel your Black Panther request and be refunded. Please note that should you change your mind afterwards we cannot allow you to repurchase Black Panther. At this time there will not be a further GB for it (however this may change although not guaranteed)

3. Wait it out
Wait for Black Panther to be released. If you decide to wait it out, as a thank you we will enter you into a HDN sponsored prize draw.

The official GB for Avengers: Infinity War won't be live until November.

I will be sending this as a PM to all participants tomorrow too with the relevant instructions.

Spoiler

Spoiler: Old artwork (Single Lenti)

 

[Wreck]

What I think possibly detracts from this "equality" in a raffle sense is that there are clearly members here that have participated in and supported HDN consistently by joining numerous GB's and over the course of a long time too (well before the new GB system was introduced).

Scenario: So a new guy joins up last week and participates in one singular Blufans GB with minimal post count and is just as eligible as the other guy who has been positively active here for perhaps years and/or joined many, many GB's that have supported HDN...

Nothing at all against new members as we were all "noobs" once but in fairness of those that have continually supported HDN across many GB's, I see this as a potential flaw, sadly.

My honest 2¢ but kudos to @Wreck for thinking out the box and being innovative. It's just unfortunate there's never going to be a method that is loved and accepted by all. Blufans just like to keep us on our toes

How about blufans makes another 1,000 and no one has to think outside the box for fairness. lol. It is what it is ...

I totally get what you are saying ... its just hard to make the right calls. I feel like we do/host other things in this Community that reward those active members. The last 3 ninja weeks all garnered over $20,000 usd in prizes given away EACH year. A milestone that is very impressive and inclusive of the entire Community as while HDN seeks out Companies and donates as well, members join in and share the wealth. Members likely happy to participate due to the Community in and of itself and HDN always trying our best to keep things fair.

And like I hinted at, I'm not sure if this will happen often ... but even if it did it doesnt mean that the eligibility has to stay the same. Requesting that you have participated in one single blufans GB from before was mainly a way to weed out new registrations as this is the first time ever. So it stops someone signing up for a new account to join, and we have ways to detect past multiple accounts etc. lots of stuff in background. So while that restriction may seem small to you, it was used as a tool, not as some "future rule" etc. Could always do 5,10 times next time if ever ... who knows lol. Just dont read much into it and be like Philadelphia and "trust the process"

 

[Wreck]

I'm not a fan of this guy .... but its classic.
(language, if at work turn speakers down)

 

[Gorfang]

Hope we can all have what we want and raffle won’t be necessary in the end

 

[asda1994]

Well, how is that any different then before? lol. So because we host a gb with X qty we never had the option to hold any back before? Just playing devils advocate here.

But really ... if its a LIVE draw and I tell you I'm live in 30 minutes , but once live I dont start the draw for another 10 minutes how am I supposed to fake or run multiple draws when its all live because I dont like who won? its all live ... no redo. My name is not Marty McFly (i wish) Trust me I will have some friends on here who miss out ... But when I miss out on GBs here myself which is quite a few a year I don't make a stink about it. Its life, and if i want it bad enough ill track it down. So the best thing is to be fair.

Thanks for Answering my question

 

[sunnyx]

My 2 cents!

I will give my opinion impartially. I was once a newbie so I know the perspective of collecting from the very beginning which can be quite daunting to say the least . And as a long term member and experienced collector I know how frustrating it can be on the other side when I miss out to some newbie who has grabbed my spot! HaHa

Anyway, I think we can ALL agree it is Impossible to please everyone and there is absolutely NO perfect system. We can only try and make it work.
The old saying, "You be Damned if you 'Do' and you be Dammed if you 'Don't' ".

A lot of people don't seem to realise in any form of collecting you constantly need New members to join to replace those that have left for whatever reason. Without new members and consistent demand retailers won't be continuing to release all these editions. Someone has to replace those that quit and keep this hobby in demand.

You can Favour the Long standing members that have supported GB after GB, not just Blufans.
Or
You can Welcome New members and give them as much chance as the Long term ones.

There are obviously arguments for both sides.
If you side with the Long standing members then there can be criticism of favoritism. You can also argue the sytem was not fair, impartial, equal and transparent which can undermine the integrity of the forum.

Then again if you Welcome Newbies or 'Noobs' in the slang term, and give these Noobs as much chance as anyone else who have been here for upto 9 years, it can start to irritate them. Why should a Noob who rarely posts with absolutely NO history or references suddenly allowed to stick their name down as easy as the Long term supporters that have supported and kept this forum growing to where it is now?

So I think what @Wreck is trying to do is find that balance so that Newbies who have never participated in a Blufans GB, usually the ones that hardly (if not) made any contribution to the forum, can simply make a spontaneous request just like that and hope to get lucky.

Having said that, you need at least one piece of GB History from Blufans which shows that youat least once joined Blufans before and successfully participated which therefore makes you eligible to give both newbies the same 'chance' as everyone else.

This is what the criteria simply is, stick your name down and hoped you get picked.

It is simply a roulette but to iron out the ZERO previous participants.

I can understand the rationale why da Boss @Wreck has decided to choose this. I am sure Wreck knows whatever decision he will make, it won't please everyone. But at least you made a decision which is better than ignoring the matter.

What I can see is the fairness and integrity in Wreck's decision.

This is a difficult situation guys. Stick your names down and get lucky. May the best man gets lucky

 

[Actarus]

My 2 cents!

I will give my opinion impartially. I was once a newbie so I know the perspective of collecting from the very beginning which can be quite daunting to say the least . And as a long term member and experienced collector I know how frustrating it can be on the other side when I miss out to some newbie who has grabbed my spot! HaHa

Anyway, I think we can ALL agree it is Impossible to please everyone and there is absolutely NO perfect system. We can only try and make it work.
The old saying, "You be Damned if you 'Do' and you be Dammed if you 'Don't' ".

A lot of people don't seem to realise in any form of collecting you constantly need New members to join to replace those that have left for whatever reason. Without new members and consistent demand retailers won't be continuing to release all these editions. Someone has to replace those that quit and keep this hobby in demand.

You can Favour the Long standing members that have supported GB after GB, not just Blufans.
Or
You can Welcome New members and give them as much chance as the Long term ones.

There are obviously arguments for both sides.
If you side with the Long standing members then there can be criticism of favoritism. You can also argue the sytem was not fair, impartial, equal and transparent which can undermine the integrity of the forum.

Then again if you Welcome Newbies or 'Noobs' in the slang term, and give these Noobs as much chance as anyone else who have been here for upto 9 years, it can start to irritate them. Why should a Noob who rarely posts with absolutely NO history or references suddenly allowed to stick their name down as easy as the Long term supporters that have supported and kept this forum growing to where it is now?

So I think what @Wreck is trying to do is find that balance so that Newbies who have never participated in a Blufans GB, usually the ones that hardly (if not) made any contribution to the forum, can simply make a spontaneous request just like that and hope to get lucky.

Having said that, you need at least one piece of GB History from Blufans which shows that youat least once joined Blufans before and successfully participated which therefore makes you eligible to give both newbies the same 'chance' as everyone else.

This is what the criteria simply is, stick your name down and hoped you get picked.

It is simply a roulette but to iron out the ZERO previous participants.

I can understand the rationale why da Boss @Wreck has decided to choose this. I am sure Wreck knows whatever decision he will make, it won't please everyone. But at least you made a decision which is better than ignoring the matter.

What I can see is the fairness and integrity in Wreck's decision.

This is a difficult situation guys. Stick your names down and get lucky. May the best man gets lucky

That is Longer than 2 Cents

 

[sunnyx]

That is Longer than 2 Cents

lol, you know me, when I get going I can write a book

 

[Actarus]

lol, you know me, when I get going I can write a book

that is true

 

[DMD4k]

Yeah, that's more like 50 cents
You tried to argue both for and against but you wish it would favour the long-time participants. I think that's perfectly ok to say.

 

[hoppusdelonge]

Scenario: So a new guy joins up last week and participates in one singular Blufans GB with minimal post count and is just as eligible as the other guy who has been positively active here for perhaps years and/or joined many, many GB's that have supported HDN...

This is what has me worried about future GBs. I've never participated in one, and didn't intend to join this one, but after missing a few releases recently I'm thinking about using group buys and as I've been active on here for almost 5 years I don't see why I should be excluded. I know this is a one time thing for now (and might not even be needed), but I really hope this doesn't have to become the norm.

 

[Wreck]

This is what has me worried about future GBs. I've never participated in one, and didn't intend to join this one, but after missing a few releases recently I'm thinking about using group buys and as I've been active on here for almost 5 years I don't see why I should be excluded. I know this is a one time thing for now (and might not even be needed), but I really hope this doesn't have to become the norm.

It wont become the norm as there are many editions that never would need to require such a thing and to be honest this is a lot of work. But we do hope to make it fun and an experience as only us Ninjas do! I do however expect people to copy us. lol

 

[sunnyx]

This seems like a giveaway, it is getting exciting and the anticipation to see your name on the scoreboard that you have been picked like it's free lol!

 

[digitalbabe]

It wont become the norm as there are many editions that never would need to require such a thing and to be honest this is a lot of work. But we do hope to make it fun and an experience as only us Ninjas do! I do however expect people to copy us. lol

Sounds very cool @Wreck good chance for everyone to remember that we're supposed to have fun collecting, too. Thanks for sharing details, injecting some excitement, and adding some of your creativity to this!

 

[Hac719]

you can sign up for both .... if you win both but dont want to pay for both, that is fine. we will have no problem moving the other copy. We however will not wait for infinite time for people to decide such. If someone pays for 1 and not the other ... after like 2 days, your other copy is gone. Informing us prior to would be more polite tho.

If our qty is very limited , depending on how much hassle it is ... likely what would happen is we will take away the DL from the 1click winner and those that did not win either we will run another with the losers of the DL so the maximum amount of people at the very least got a copy of this edition in some fashion.



Every blufans GB brings in new buyers and some who buy elsewhere who create new registrations to try to double up. Since we are verifying all past purchases for eligibility you at least have a number of people who wont even have the chance ... so that helps odds to some degree.

"- dedicated watchers and f5-ers can see their release been given away to someone not so dedicated. so even more frustration."
Just cause you win the reserve doesnt mean a "not so dedicated" might not miss the tag/alert etc to make the purchase ... we aren't phoning people, buy within your window or lose that spot still which i would assume "not so dedicated" people might fall victim to.

and for those who make brief mention of the raffle and fairness .... it will be an announced time, so it doesnt get any fairer than that. Be sure to tune in .... Cpu generation will also be involved.

HDN is pushing the envelope trying to be innovative and fair with integrity for the Community as we always aspire to be. We will see how folks like this new method but its not to replace other methods or current system in place, however I feel it can help when things are very limited as we continue our forward thinking for this Community and as leaders in the hobby itself.

Other editions like 1/4 or FS if they come to be will likely just be handled old way unless qty restrictions call for something else. The main 2 that folks clamor for are boxsets and DL so just figured more important to try and make a very fair way for that. I didnt want to wait till last minute to start our process and there was no rush in regards to those 2 threads so didn't matter for us to announce them etc.

Was hoping to find this answer in here! I was planning to sign up for a single lenti and or 1/4 slip (if they have any) after signing up for the double just to increase my chances of obtaining a copy. If selected for all three i would simply notify Wreck and/or Cooey I would only need 1 and let someone else have a chance.

Seems to be a great system for lower quantity steelbooks!

Good luck everyone!

 

[dchamp444]

There's no solution here that will make everybody happy. People that miss out always complain about this way or that way wasn't fair.

It's nice that the admins here are attempting to be fair. If it were me, I'd just randomly be like "Blufans gave us 30 copies, first 30 people get them" simply because that's easiest for me.

 

[TheJoker]

It is saddening to see that due to this potential 'lack of allocation', already the integrity of some of the people who will be running the GB/raffle/etc is being brought into question. These are people that have over the years given away a CRAZY amount of $£$£ worth during their Ninja Week giveaways, as well as other random giveaways, because they are kind and generous. Before I joined HiDefNinja, I had no idea that people were doing this kind of thing. It's even getting me to the point where I may start to join in and host my own giveaways, or sponsor a prize, etc.

This Blufans Black Panther situation is essentially just like a giveaway. A whole load of people enter, and there are some that are lucky and some that aren't. The only difference is that this time round you'll have to pay for the end product. So I would ask that people lay off the conspiracy talk.

Of course, if Blufans would just up their production total, this wouldn't be a problem, and in all honesty when you have a product like this that is bound to be popular I would have thought the logical business sense would be to fulfill every single demand for this steelbook. Oh well, we'll see what happens.

 

[rschiks]

These are people that have over the years given away a CRAZY amount of $£$£ worth during their Ninja Week giveaways, as well as other random giveaways, because they are kind and generous. Before I joined HiDefNinja, I had no idea that people were doing this kind of thing. It's even getting me to the point where I may start to join in and host my own giveaways, or sponsor a prize, etc.

I think the latter is a great idea I’ll join you in a giveaway or sponsor a prize.

 

[sunnyx]

I think the latter is a great idea I’ll join you in a giveaway or sponsor a prize.

Save it for Ninja Week next year in February! I had the privilege and pleasure to organise some of @wouter's premium giveaways

 

[adarkcorner]

Just casting a vote here, since someone (Wreck, I think) said earlier that they want to know what members think of this system: I think it's an awful idea. The people who put forth the most effort in obtaining a copy (dedicating time and energy to being there when the GB happens and being the fastest on the button) should be the people who get the copies. Period. Handing them out randomly is nuts. I've obtained whatever copy I wanted in every single GB I've seriously dedicated myself to here, no matter how limited the amount available. Now I might very well have something like a 30% or even 20% chance of getting something I would otherwise almost certainly succeed in getting. Just my opinion, I don't mean to offend anyone.

 

[apsmith21]

Of course, if Blufans would just up their production total, this wouldn't be a problem, and in all honesty when you have a product like this that is bound to be popular I would have thought the logical business sense would be to fulfill every single demand for this steelbook.

And that's the most interesting part, right? I think collectors who visit HDN, literally a large number of us are very excited for this artwork in a steelbook.

If there was no limit, I would have to think that HDN alone could sell 500+ steelbooks and I know a lot of you out there didn't like this film so imagine if everyone liked it, lol

Thanks to @Wreck for at least trying something new to come up with a way to fairly assist members here in getting a copy.

And yes, it would definitely be easier (but probably more disappointing) if we had just said - first come, first served.