Terminator 2: Judgment Day (Blu-ray SteelBook) (KimchiDVD Exclusive #1) [Korea]

[diegoandre23]

KimchiDVD Exclusive No.1

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Release Date: 15th June 2013
Purchase link: Terminator 2: Judgment Day SOLD-OUT!
Price: {param} US$37.99
Notes: (Limited to 1500 copies)
Full slipcover with embossed title. Steelbook title embossed. Includes postcards. 1 Disc. Region Free
Kimchidvd Exclusive (1500 units): Embossed steel, embossed full slip, photo cards, exclusive sticker.
Regular/local release (+- 1500 units): Embossed steel, embossed full slip.

List of Kimchidvd Exclusive SteelBook Editions

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Actual pictures courtesy of Choi Chungkwon:

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[tuffeerik]

Firstly, no one doubts that this is indeed a n incredible looking steelbook, and we all appreciate the input from Choi for making it so.

But what I question is this;

1. Why did they take it off for sale a few weeks back when people were already seriously questioning the amount actually available?
2. Were they concerned about cancellations if it became abundantly clear about the actual print run over that period prior to release?
3. Are we now honestly expected to believe that with the figure of 700 or so declared as remaining in stock last night, that it remains a 1.5k release with the amount of sales gone through today?
4. Lastly, why have Kimchi now removed from their website about this being a 1.5k release?

In Wreck I trust implicitly, in Kimchi's/Choi's declarations we can all make our own assumptions.

How many outside this forum do you think knows about this release? Not many i think... And how many copies do you think ninjas has bought? Probably not more than 1500 in my opinion. Anyway... why would Choi lie? Why would Kimchi lie? This is their first exclusive title... Would be a really bad move to screw up on their first exclusive title... It would give Kimchi a bad name forever.
I dont understand all this negativity and paranoia. Its a beautiful steel... its probably gonna increase something insane in value, and lastly no one is holding a gun to your head telling you to buy this... If you are so scared you are wasting your money or whatever the problem is... just dont buy it.
I personally have had NO bad experiences with Kimchi whatsoever and i have bought A LOT from them, and I think its pretty disrespectful talking about Choi, Tony and Kimchi like they are hustling anyone. If anything we should be spreading good rumors about them.

 

[wyatt03]

To be fair, collecting is very different from person to person.

Ok! But I still think were losing site of the most important thing, which is the steelbook! The fact its T2 and an awesome edition, with an exclusive slip has the be the defining factor, not how many there are!

For people that are more interested in the ltd number, thats fine but do we have to have page after page after page of the same old thing! Im sure we will get some sort of numbers clarification soon enough, so can we not keep banging on about the numbers..... please!!

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[stevo]

Few issues I did not address in my last post. The print run in question matters, its not so much the quantity that disturbs me, its the fact that there seems to be alot of deception in regards to this. I don't know about you, but I for one don't like to be deceived. So yeah, people should be upset about this.

Secondly, in regards of this becoming "grail". A grail to me is a steel that can command bids of $500 (300 quid for you Brits) consistently. How it gets to that magical $500 mark does not matter to me. Perhaps its due to rarity, popularity, on the back of a giant sea faring tortoise, being ceremoniously carried in by a billion leaf cutter ants. It doesn't matter how, that it gets there is all that matters. It takes a very special steel to do this, do you honestly think that this title is one of them?

 

[tuffeerik]

Choi wrote this may 8th

Well the only thing i got from that is that many people have cancelled their orders, and that they will sell all the cancelled orders as well as having sold the ones that aren`t cancelled.
Im not stubborn enough to say that im 100% sure im right... I just dont see the point in all the fuzz and paranoia... We dont even know how many are sold... So way debate this over 20 pages in this thread?

---------- Post added at 01:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:43 PM ----------

Few issues I did not address in my last post. The print run in question matters, its not so much the quantity that disturbs me, its the fact that there seems to be alot of deception in regards to this. I don't know about you, but I for one don't like to be deceived. So yeah, people should be upset about this.

Secondly, in regards of this becoming "grail". A grail to me is a steel that can command bids of $500 (300 quid for you Brits) consistently. How it gets to that magical $500 mark does not matter to me. Perhaps its due to rarity, popularity, on the back of a giant sea faring tortoise, being ceremoniously carried in by a billion leaf cutter ants. It doesn't matter how, that it gets there is all that matters. It takes a very special steel to do this, do you honestly think that this title is one of them?

We dont know that we have been deceived and we are the ones looking stupid if it turns out we havent been. Why not wait with bringing Kimchi to the slaughter until we know the facts?
I for one dont see why this release dont have the potential to be a grail. T2 V2 japan is a grail... Its limited to 3000 and is a bad ass steel. As far as we know this one is even more limited, and in my opinion looks even better... From the pictures I have to say that this is one of the most amazing looking steels I have seen... That is of course if the embossing and debossing will be like described earlier in this thread, and that the full slip will be as described.

 

[TobinFrost]

Few issues I did not address in my last post. The print run in question matters, its not so much the quantity that disturbs me, its the fact that there seems to be alot of deception in regards to this. I don't know about you, but I for one don't like to be deceived. So yeah, people should be upset about this.

Secondly, in regards of this becoming "grail". A grail to me is a steel that can command bids of $500 (300 quid for you Brits) consistently. How it gets to that magical $500 mark does not matter to me. Perhaps its due to rarity, popularity, on the back of a giant sea faring tortoise, being ceremoniously carried in by a billion leaf cutter ants. It doesn't matter how, that it gets there is all that matters. It takes a very special steel to do this, do you honestly think that this title is one of them?

I think most people here are obsessed with the fact that there is a full slip and I think that's what makes the grail is chanted.
Then Terminator 2 ...

 

[Bubbie]

Funny. I asked Choi back on page 75:

Can you confirm the print run for this release Choi? Lots of people seem to be confused on the figure, including me.

The reason I did that is I thought it would stop the discussions about the print run. (Boy was I wrong )

The very next post to mine was Choi's answer:

I already confrmed that 1500 limited not more than 1500

People thought it was sold out already but actual order via paypal and credit card are around 800 or so

So the rest of quantity are quite enough for the pre-order before release date

That's why I post here DO NOT WORRY SELLING LIKE MINUTES

Tony think even if it's not sold out, it's fine because he will close T2 after release date

So stay in kimchidvd and Do not rush to pre-order

You will have plenty of time to take your copies

Cheers

I think everyone should chill about the print run for a while. It will be clear either way sooner or later if someone "got screwed". I do not see any reason not to trust the above reply form Choi

Why do so many people assume that this steel should sell out within hours?

- It is a Korean steel sold exclusively by single supplier;
- It is a Korean steel sold by a small store not everyone is aware off;
- It is region A locked (!);
- It is not sold in UK, Canada or the like with a healthy market for steelbooks.

Et cetera, et cetera...

I agree with those who say that print run is important (I mean those who collect stamps in Canada, do not buy a 62-cent stamp from Canada Post used on a daily basis with millions of copies readily available ). However, I respect opinion of those who think otherwise It is really a personal opinion and nothing more, just as it is with slips and stickers and other useless crap we all pay extra for

Yeah.. But I think we should chill a little with the print run discussion. Think about the people subscribed to this thread!

T2 rules and this steelbook is a prime example! I mean look how aroused all these posting ninjas are!!!

 

[digitalbabe]

Bubbie-haha...I think part of the challenge is people jump into threads at different times, and may not see preceding posts that answer questions. But it looks like the print run info is in the 1st post, and that's all anyone has to go on. People will ask questions, especially new members, or those that are not subscribed, etc, busy with other things. It happens all the time, of course. We can help by referring them to 1st post...and any important updates can be added to that OP. Choi, or anyone else with first hand knowledge, feel free to PM a mod or report a post if we should consider adding it to the 1st post.

 

[Blu-devil]

Agreed. I do personally believe that this will end up being BIGGER than Japan's V2.0.

 

[RobertJoseph17]

Agreed. I do personally believe that this will end up being BIGGER than Japan's V2.0.

I think we'll agree to disagree on that one. Even if I wanted it to (which I do) I don't think it will come anywhere close to demanding the same value as 2.0. This might end up being a better product, but I don't think it will come close in value.

 

[tuffeerik]

I think we'll agree to disagree on that one. Even if I wanted it to (which I do) I don't think it will come anywhere close to demanding the same value as 2.0. This might end up being a better product, but I don't think it will come close in value.

Can I ask why you dont think it will come close in value? I dont question you in a rude way as it might look like. I just want to hear you arguments because i disagree with you.
I disagree because:
-As far as we know its a smaller print run. We dont have facts that tell us otherwise.
- It has the full slip, and hopefully some excellent embossing, debossing.
- It has some cool extras, like postcards.
- It is an exclusive title. Not to mention Kimchi exclusive title Nr.1 which is pretty special IMO.
- And IMO it looks amazing. This comes to individual taste of course. Many will say 2.0 looks better. Some because they actually think so, others because they own it etc. etc. But nobody can deny its one of the better looking steels that has been released in a while.
- I know 2.0 is already a grail and some say that this T2 release cannot be a grail because of that... I dont understand why to be honest. This is like saying that if japan released an Iron man limited to 30 copies and it somehow looked even better than FS, it still could never be a grail just because this title already has a grail...

 

[manonfire]

How long did it take the Japanese steel to be selling for those crazy prices ?.

 

[RobertJoseph17]

Can I ask why you dont think it will come close in value? I dont question you in a rude way as it might look like. I just want to hear you arguments because i disagree with you.
I disagree because:
-As far as we know its a smaller print run. We dont have facts that tell us otherwise.
- It has the full slip, and hopefully some excellent embossing, debossing.
- It has some cool extras, like postcards.
- It is an exclusive title. Not to mention Kimchi exclusive title Nr.1 which is pretty special IMO.
- And IMO it looks amazing. This comes to individual taste of course. Many will say 2.0 looks better. Some because they actually think so, others because they own it etc. etc. But nobody can deny its one of the better looking steels that has been released in a while.
- I know 2.0 is already a grail and some say that this T2 release cannot be a grail because of that... I dont understand why to be honest. This is like saying that if japan released an Iron man limited to 30 copies and it somehow looked even better than FS, it still could never be a grail just because this title already has a grail...

Just an educated feeling. Only time will tell. I don't think saying one can't be a grail because there's a previous one is like saying " if japan released an Iron man limited to 30 copies and it somehow looked even better than FS, it still could never be a grail"

I would venture that no one would disagree that a title with a confirmed 30 print run wouldn't be a grail.

When speaking of grails, it also depends on what your definition of grails are. There really aren't too many grails that are released anymore, the ones that are have print runs of 200-300 or less. Part of the reason that the Iron Mans and others are grails are because of how long ago they were released. They were released so long ago that there aren't too many sealed and mint copies left.

With a 1500 print run, I just think there are too many copies of this to become a grail.

It also takes time for something to become a grail, we don't really know how much time blu-ray has left until the next physical media comes out, and by that time, this might not have had enough time to become an actual grail.

I'm not saying this isn't a great Steelbook by any means. I think this is one of the best releases that has come out in a while. And we haven't even seen actual pictures of it yet. I for one, can't wait for this to get to me.

 

[Drum18]

My 2 cents why this will NEVER top T2 2.0:
How many people do you know who ows T2 2.0?
According to the T2 2.0 Owner's Club: 8

T2 Korea:
Almost everyone on this board will own it. And do I have to remind you we're pretty much the biggest site with SteelBook fans

 

[RajLondon]

As RobertJoseph said time will tell. This is definitely a fantastic release. I've said it before, Terminator has the most steelbooks out there in terms of quality, rarity and value.

 

[tuffeerik]

My 2 cents why this will NEVER top T2 2.0:
How many people do you know who ows T2 2.0?
According to the T2 2.0 Owner's Club: 8

T2 Korea:
Almost everyone on this board will own it. And do I have to remind you we're pretty much the biggest site with SteelBook fans

Well... not to sound like an idiot or anything but since 2.0 had a print run of 3000 i guess a hell of a lot more than 8 people own it. I dont think 2992 copies has vanished from the earth... do you? I think the same people who own 2.0 will probably own T2 KR and vice versa. Remember that a lot of the 3000 has been destroyed, damaged, opened since its release date. Dont you think the same will happen to a new release? And even at a faster rate since its half the print run.

 

[DJ IXS]

Well... not to sound like an idiot or anything but since 2.0 had a print run of 3000 i guess a hell of a lot more than 8 people own it. I dont think 2992 copies has vanished from the earth... do you?

Bazinga!

 

[tuffeerik]

Just an educated feeling. Only time will tell. I don't think saying one can't be a grail because there's a previous one is like saying " if japan released an Iron man limited to 30 copies and it somehow looked even better than FS, it still could never be a grail"

I would venture that no one would disagree that a title with a confirmed 30 print run wouldn't be a grail.

When speaking of grails, it also depends on what your definition of grails are. There really aren't too many grails that are released anymore, the ones that are have print runs of 200-300 or less. Part of the reason that the Iron Mans and others are grails are because of how long ago they were released. They were released so long ago that there aren't too many sealed and mint copies left.

With a 1500 print run, I just think there are too many copies of this to become a grail.

It also takes time for something to become a grail, we don't really know how much time blu-ray has left until the next physical media comes out, and by that time, this might not have had enough time to become an actual grail.

I'm not saying this isn't a great Steelbook by any means. I think this is one of the best releases that has come out in a while. And we haven't even seen actual pictures of it yet. I for one, can't wait for this to get to me.

Hmmm... of all the grails you know of, lets say ten... how many had a print run larger than 1500??
I dont know what the next media will be... but imo a new media replacing blu ray and ending BD-steelbooks will increase value of rare steelbooks, not decrease the value. This is like saying the 1. edition of the book Don Quixote lost value because we now have books in digital media... Which of course is as far from the truth as one can come. Its only still increasing in value...

You are right that it might be silly discussing this without even having defined "grail". I guess in my opinion a grail is something that many search for, but few or none has found. In our case... to get I am legend FS, iron man FS, Gladiator TW, Captain america TW, Le grand Bleu JP, IB FS etc etc, in mint condition, and factory sealed you have to search for a long time or have a considerable amount of money to spend on this hobby to get it.

I dont doubt that this release in a couple of years might be hard to come by in the desired condition and at a reasonable price compared to retail price...

 

[karl01]

My 2 cents why this will NEVER top T2 2.0:
How many people do you know who ows T2 2.0?
According to the T2 2.0 Owner's Club: 8

T2 Korea:
Almost everyone on this board will own it. And do I have to remind you we're pretty much the biggest site with SteelBook fans

Yeah out of the 8 people that own it chip will be one so that will account for for the extra 2000.

 

[Steelknight47]

A huge number of members want this to be a grail instantly.
This steel does have the potential to be a grail, but in the long run.
The problem is everyone who wants one already ordered one (multiple copies in some cases).
Also, grails aren't instant, they take years and are unpredictable. An example Thor Japan, it doesn't even have a full/half/quarter slip or 3D disc.

Next, if Choi says the quantity is 1,500 I believe it. I don't go on speculation/assumptions. Remember, the original print was supposed to be 500, but many people missed out (and started freaking out), so the quantity increased. Choi informed us on the update on quantity. Though, I doubt it increased again. Even so, KimchiDVD is business, and they can do so if they wish.

As I mentioned first in the thread:

Members tend to forget KimichiDVD is a business. The main goal of a business is to maximize profit (Economics 101). I'm sure KimichiDVD kept increasing the original quantity due to it's popularity. Why wouldn't they? Choi is simply passing on what KimichiDVD originally planned.

Lastly, Choi has always kept us in the loop (from quantity to steelbook finish), so I don't know where this 'deception' talk is coming from. KimchiDVD and Choi could have easliy not bothered telling us about this exclusive, or bothered to hear our feedback.

Well... not to sound like an idiot or anything but since 2.0 had a print run of 3000 i guess a hell of a lot more than 8 people own it. I dont think 2992 copies has vanished from the earth... do you?

I laughed so hard, my sides hurt.

 

[tuffeerik]

Just as an aside, do we really know for sure there were 3000 copies of 2.0? I don't think it was ever stated as a fact that there were 3000 copies, I believe it was just assumed so.

It says limited to 3000 on the slip in japanese... So i think that is pretty confirmed...