Ask Wreck: SteelBooks Questions

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I dont know how long I will do this, or if people have questions ... but I'll check this thread daily in case people have questions about steelbooks etc. I'll try to answer to the best of my ability from what I am allowed to say in some cases or just info you may not have seen me drop before in past threads.
 
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I'll ask... but my guess is its gone or we'd have seen.

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update, they are seemingly gone.
Gutted :( Thanks for asking the question though!
 
Question: What's the most usual number of Steelbooks produced when they're tagged Limited Edition?

Seeing that Limited Steelbooks made over a year ago still being sold from retailers.

Making 10.000 copies of a Steelbook doesn't make it very limited just because they have a maximum number of copies produced - makes it fairly easy to obtain!

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Question: What's the most usual number of Steelbooks produced when they're tagged Limited Edition?

Seeing that Limited Steelbooks made over a year ago still being sold from retailers.

Making 10.000 copies of a Steelbook doesn't make it very limited just because they have a maximum number of copies produced - makes it fairly easy to obtain!

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The words "Limited Edition" and "Collectors Edition" are most often ignored by many collectors. It's been over used and abused many times before even with DVDs. There is no set # as to what makes a studio decide to deem it as such.

To see things tho from their mindset ... is most often they could make 100,000 and still call it a limited edition. While the # doesnt seem so limited, its the fact that they have no intention of reprinting it that makes them have the mindset of determining it as such. Many collector box sets are labeled as such with that thought process in mind.

Steelbooks however, it just varies by studio by Country. As some have seen with reprints etc. My best advice to stop such practices if it was originally deemed "limited edition" and then reprinted is to gather a lynch mob and unleash the masses on the studio's facebook page. If there's enough people belly aching over it then they'll take notice and the marketing pr people who run the facebook page will pass the word along within the company ... and then you got the person responsible at least thinking twice about it the next time he wants to reprint a supposed "limited editon" ;) I've seen it happen. power in numbers. :naughty:
 
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The words "Limited Edition" and "Collectors Edition" are most often ignored by many collectors. It's been over used and abused many times before even with DVDs. There is no set # as to what makes a studio decide to deem it as such.

To see things tho from their mindset ... is most often they could make 100,000 and still call it a limited edition. While the # doesnt seem so limited, its the fact that they have no intention of reprinting it that makes them have the mindset of determining it as such. Many collector box sets are labeled as such with that thought proc......
Terrific response! Thanks for taking the time to answer :D
Made me see things differently when it comes to the Limited editions. Would you say that a retailer exclusive edition would come more close to a Limited release?

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Compadre, I don't know if this has been asked.....
The upcoming FOX releases are all those covers supposed to be final? I know the Mods mentioned that the pics were preliminary covers from Play. Will the covers stay as is or will their be a drastic change?

Sorry if this question was asked:(
 
Compadre, I don't know if this has been asked.....
The upcoming FOX releases are all those covers supposed to be final? I know the Mods mentioned that the pics were preliminary covers from Play. Will the covers stay as is or will their be a drastic change?

Sorry if this question was asked:(

I think they'll be the final covers. This wave has been planned with play and it's still 4k and embossed, why would they change the artwork ?
 
Now that Viva's out of the picture in the US, when is Disney going to give us more collectible packaging? Too many recent titles without it. Brave, Nemo (both Viva) and some Target digibooks but that's about it. Did Disney have a problem with Scanovo/SteelBooks or was it just price? Doesn't everyone make enough money selling these to us?

Hopefully things materialize. But its the aim of any packaging company to deal with all studios and game developers world-wide.

Is there one metal-casing company in the US to rule them all? It's pretty well publicized that Scanovo's (SteelBook's) legal action took Viva out of the business the US. What happened to IronPack? It doesn't seem they could survive on the limited number of titles they have released. And does someone in particular make digibooks and digipacks?
 
Wreck, I know that sometimes print quantity is publicized and other times not but will retailers/distributors ever increase print runs after opening pre-orders if they notice high demand? Thanks, Liam
 
As far as I know, they can't increase the print run. Say you contracted to run 4k, they would completed the production run maybe in just 2-3 days time. By the time you want to increase the print run, it would be re-print. So another 4k? I doubt so.
 
Wreck, I know that sometimes print quantity is publicized and other times not but will retailers/distributors ever increase print runs after opening pre-orders if they notice high demand? Thanks, Liam

As far as I know, they can't increase the print run. Say you contracted to run 4k, they would completed the production run maybe in just 2-3 days time. By the time you want to increase the print run, it would be re-print. So another 4k? I doubt so.

actually there is a schedule to it all. Like most companies when you get a quote its valid for X amount of days. 45 days etc. So if you got your contract/quote ... you can put up for pre-order and if you're going to increase then you need to do so probably within that time frame before your print run is ran. But this tends to mean your print run is increasing in small number.

For instance Terminator Play UK ... remember it was first announced 4k, but then as they monitored how fast it was selling they bumped it to 5k .. it still sold out before release date.

1k increase before print run is ran shouldnt cause problems from what I'm aware ... but imagine if someone said give me 40k more .. that would probably cause some scheduling delays (my speculation) but at the end of the day the title hasnt been ran and they arent going to piss off clients. But their schedules are strict as they have many clients to please. Sometimes if you want more your whole order will be delayed unless your fine with taking the MOQ again. ie. 4k

But lets be honest here ... titles dont sell so fast at that huge amount to make the studio/retailer merit increasing the order by that large a volume. As you see by example that Terminator was only increased by 1k. Last year Play sold many titles out at pre-order before street date and even so they didnt take the chance of ordering more qty before street as they monitor sales spikes etc and then make judgement on order. No one wants to be "that guy" who bumped an order up and now the company they work for are looking at them as they sit on slow sales of the remaining qty.

The movie studios have seen crazy times in the past 5 years and after seeing many of their colleagues let-go its made many of them too afraid to reach out and risk doing things that are new when they can stick to things that work and keep their job. That's how USA studios have viewed things for a few years after some talks I had. However FINALLY it seems some are coming around and starting to get on board the steel wagon.

Which also goes to show you how freaking crazy and strange it all really is. New art approval in other Countries almost always still goes back to USA studios (hollywood) for approval ... which is why you see so many steels that have same art as its already approved and less work and easy to get it going. I find it funny that USA lacks steels so badly, and yet other Countries are getting approvals from USA studios for steels in their Countries. Cant you see its working there and it could be working here!? Frustrating.... Tom Cruise requires a 6 month lead time on new art approval for any movies he is in. Russel Crowe was involved in what art was approved for Robin Hood. And then Angelina threw a fit at her skin tone on the Salt steel. And here I was thinking only we collectors were obsessive freaks about steels and quality art etc. Nice to know the actors and actresses are just as crazy as us. Guess we're all drinking the same juice.

Most all qtys that are made public are actually true to form. Some people like to think otherwise but when you sit in my seat and talk to people and or see screen shots and #s etc (and having seen contract etc) then you are able to easily pick apart truth. There wont be fake #s in a law biding contract. ;)
 
What an informative write-up John! Great story on the actors' responses to the steelbook art - I'd asked Jessica Chastain if she had seen the UK Lawless steelbook and her "What's a steelbook?" response was surprising given her stardom and her "last" minute inclusion on the cover art. I plan on sending her the Lawless and ZD30 steelbooks to autograph :)

Thanks John!
 
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What an informative write-up John! Great story on the actors' responses to the steelbook art - I'd asked Jessica Chastain if she had seen the UK Lawless steelbook and her "What's a steelbook?" response was surprising given her stardom and her "last" minute inclusion on the cover art. I plan on sending her the Lawless and ZD30 steelbooks to autograph :)

Thanks John!

Producers wanted her on the front cover. (lawless) Maybe they had ties with ZDT or maybe they thought given her upcoming exposure it would help sales. If they would have viewed this forum they would have read that just because it was debossed on both sides that it would sell its 4k ... ;p
 
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Thanks John for the I formation, where information I got from scanavo Hong Kong is that moq for any print run here is 3k. With the smaller market in Asia pacific region, 3k is damn hard to finish you know. We are cooking something down here in Singapore and hopefully we can come out with something interesting very soon.
 
Is there one metal-casing company in the US to rule them all? It's pretty well publicized that Scanovo's (SteelBook's) legal action took Viva out of the business the US. What happened to IronPack? It doesn't seem they could survive on the limited number of titles they have released. And does someone in particular make digibooks and digipacks?

Lots of packaging companies make digibooks and digipacks. Quite a few ... which is also why you see no set standard. DE has been using a company that makes "Mediabooks" (aka digibooks to our standard) that are still g1 aka dvd size. So they've just continued on with that due to business relationships. I would prefer they get to blu-ray size. As some over there have been. ("Super" , Premium Collection, and CinEditions etc.)

But even in USA you see a few diff types as there are many diff companies.

IronPack also got shut down. All due to patents and infringement that G&M and/or Scanavo have.

Viva is still in business in the US, (and globally) as they are a bigger company than scanavo and make much more then their attempts at metal products. ie. regular amaray cases.

MetalPaks are not in violation and thats why they coexist with steelbooks and metal tins etc.

Word is also that IronPack BDMO sold off stuff to Viva and then we got Metalboxes. I cant remember how I caught wind of that anymore as its been years so that part could just be speculation.

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Thanks John for the I formation, where information I got from scanavo Hong Kong is that moq for any print run here is 3k. With the smaller market in Asia pacific region, 3k is damn hard to finish you know. We are cooking something down here in Singapore and hopefully we can come out with something interesting very soon.

That could very well be the case for Asia as much of Asia has to deal with extreme pirating.

There is also rare occasions where qty limit can be broken. My guess is its if it benefits the brand in the long run. One of those occasions was San Diego Comic Con and the g1 limited to 1k Sucker Punch.
 
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Hi Wreck.

Long time reader, first time question.

With Who Framed Roger Rabbit from Zavvi fast approaching, I'm quite concerned that I've never order from them before and heard many many bad things. I read that you were talking to them about packaging, and hoping that they listen like play did with their excellent steelbook box.

Wondering if you have any update and whether we'll be seeing WFRR arriving in tip top condition in good packaging or are we likely to be contacting Zavvi and getting nowhere regarding badly damaged/dented steelbooks :(

Cheers

Rich
 
I was told they would have it all in place in time for WFRR .... so we shall see. Dont shoot the messenger tho. ;) I've asked a few times and they kept saying the same. Not willing to bug them any further. ;p


and to all my fine followers ..........

a hint for the steelbook world............

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ignore the box art.
 
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