Official Alcohol Discussion Thread!

Jan 28, 2009
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Manteca, CA
Can we get a sticky for this? :D

What do ya'll prefer to drink? Beer, Wine, Hard Liquor, Wine Coolers? All of them?

I only drink Beer and Hard Liquor. Mint Mojito is about the only thing close to a wine cooler I'll drink though LOL
 
Don't worry Wreck, as long as there is an interest in home brewing, there will always be a demand for propane. I've been able to go through about 2 tanks per year since I grill year round. Add brewing to that and add another tank or two. :scat:
 
man I get about 4 batches out of a propane tank if I'm lucky.. that 280k btu burner makes for quick boils but man it eats gas!


water at the end isn't bad, but you do open yourself up to infection if your yeast stalls out.

teaspoon of yeast energizer coupled with a smack pack will pretty much take care of that though.
 
I've noticed you are a liquid yeast fan. I'll probably give that a try with my next batch.

Do either of you do two stage fermentation? I'm thinking about doing it to give this batch more clarity, but don't know when to move to the next carboy.
 
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I've noticed you are a liquid yeast fan. I'll probably give that a try with my next batch.

Do either of you do two stage fermentation? I'm thinking about doing it to give this batch more clarity, but don't know when to move to the next carboy.

I always do a two stage fermentation. It helps clarity a ton. I usually do two weeks in primary and two weeks in secondary. Can change a bit depending on lag times and fermentation speed but two weeks in each generally gets it done pretty well.

I'm like alpha too, I get about 4 batches out of a single propane tank :(
 
We'll see what kind of life I get out of a tank.

So you are doing roughly two weeks in one carboy, switching to the next where you do about two more weeks, and then (if bottling) you'd do 2 or 3 more weeks?
 
While cost prohibitive, liquid yeast works a lot faster than dry yeast. To stretch the costs you can "wash" the yeast after fermentation and culture it back up to a half liter/liter starter and use it in another batch... I wouldn't do this more than 4 or 5 times as each generation the yeast mutates a bit. I bleev there's a TON of information on the matter from John Palmer. I think it's called How To Brew, and it's a free online book, or you can buy the paperback. I've read it too much.

Regarding two-stage fermentation, it really isn't a second stage you're just letting it settle out. I've left beer in primary until it was crystal clear before transferring and it worked just fine. The concern is that by letting the beer sit on top of the trub it will cause off flavors. I've left beer in primary for a little over a month and had no issues. Not recommended, but not THAT risky. Depends on your cleaning/sanitation habits.

I mainly use second stage for flavor additions like vanilla beans, fruit, etc... because whatever you put in primary or during the boil is going to get scrubbed by the yeast when they go to town creating a bunch of CO2. Something to keep in mind when thinking about what to add in the boil vs secondary. Like strong spices would be boiling material, but adding something mild like peaches would be secondary material as you are trying to protect the peach flavor. The common new brewer mistake is to just chuck everything in the boil, the result being a goofy ass tasting beer.

Besides.. when I rack to my kegs it becomes a secondary anyway... if you want to clarify quicker you can wait for primary to finish and then put the carboy in a freezer/fridge and chill it to 28 degrees. The yeast will fall out faster and not alter the flavor. Do not allow the beer to freeze, you just want it chillin... unless you're making an eisbock. mmmmmm.

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We'll see what kind of life I get out of a tank.

So you are doing roughly two weeks in one carboy, switching to the next where you do about two more weeks, and then (if bottling) you'd do 2 or 3 more weeks?

yep, thats what I do. I've also left it in the primary for a month before like Alpha said and it worked without any problems. No off flavors to speak of either. I like the secondary because you dont stir up as much junk when you transfer to keg/bottle as you would if you only used a primary. It's a little more work but my beers are usually crystal clear, I think so of that has to do with the secondary.

I've seen others who dont use a secondary and still get crystal clear beer as well, its just what works for me :shrug:
 
So are you using the second stage to just clarify and add flavors or would you need to add some sugar to get the fermentation going again?

Sorry for all the questions. I've heard some people talk about 2nd stage, but I haven't found anything on it when reading anything.
 
So are you using the second stage to just clarify and add flavors or would you need to add some sugar to get the fermentation going again?

Sorry for all the questions. I've heard some people talk about 2nd stage, but I haven't found anything on it when reading anything.



Secondary is just the term for racking from primary to another vessel. The purpose is mostly to clarify and keep the new beer from being spoiled sitting on the trub, or the leftover crap from boiling the wort. Tertiary is sometimes used as the 3rd stage. This is typically for beers that need long term storage before kegging/bottling. The only fermentation that occurs is in the primary, unless for some reason you add sugars in secondary, which there's no reason you couldn't, but it's not typical for kegging. When I brew my peach wheat I HAVE to rack to secondary on top of peach puree, the sugars in the fruit cause a natural, secondary fermentation that subsides rather quickly. Then I transfer to tertiary, or the keg, for it to condition until consumption.

When you bottle your beer from primary you are effectively racking your beer into a secondary stage, just that when that second stage is over you pop the cap and drink it.

It can sound a little confusing, but the whole primary, secondary, tertiary commentary is simply explaining how many times you rack your beer before packaging whether it be bottles or kegs. I was just offering some advice on how you can use these stages to add dynamic flavors to beer and avoid the common mistakes.
 
very cool and thanks for the info.

I got to talking with my boss the other day and I told her that I would probably stick to the kits for at least a year or so and not change anything until I figured out the process. She was right when she said I would start changing the kits or move on to where I would start working with other recipies. I've already got the second kit picked out, but not purchased, and I've already got a few variations I'm going to do with it. :naughty: Should be very tasty.
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Dont forget to add more hops, thats what I do anyways :D. I haven't done a kit in a while, but I still use them for styles I have little experience with. It's going to be good beer either way though!
 
Just got my natural chocolate extract in the mail... Holy cow! 45% ABV just for the extract, but I'll only need maybe a tablespoon of the stuff in 5 gallons to really punch in the chocolate flavor.

Cannot friggin waaiiiit! I added a drop to some milk and put a dallop of the chocolate whipahol on top.. it was the most chocolatey thing I've drank in a loooong time.


Double chocolate cherry stout is in the bag me thinks!
 
That sounds really good! Since I got my first batch bottled this past weekend, I'm thinking ahead to the next batch. I'll probably try to make something dark, chocolate, and tasty!
 
I'm like alpha too, I get about 4 batches out of a single propane tank :(

Where do you get your propane filled? Are you just doing cylinder exchange? (@ like Walgreens, CVS, Home Depot, Wal-mart etc.)

Many retailers fill bottles too or do exchanges and offer cheaper prices. When I say retailers, I mean actual propane retailers. Just see which ones are closest to your house via google and then call and get prices for best bang for your buck.

I'm sitting on 1.5 million gallons of propane right now. :D
 
maaaaannn.... that crap is like $23 here. Maybe I need to look harder?

We got 5 inches of snow on christmas night, but I toughed it out and brewed a coffee stout today anyways :D I was debating on taking a pic and got distracted, now I wish that I had :(

Not even the dogs would help me this time, guess the spent grain treats werent worth the cold!